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The Real Story Behind Queen Elizabeth's Friendship With Evangelist Billy Graham
Time ^ | Feb 21 2018 | Flora Carr

Posted on 09/23/2022 2:34:15 PM PDT by NeverCheney

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To: proust
She had every opportunity in her looonnng life to drop her nonsense and pull a Constantine.

She was a Christian, wasn't she? I'm not, but my understanding of Christianity is that one must profess a faith in Jesus Christ in order to achieve salvation, and nothing anywhere is mentioned about the particular flavor of Christianity one chooses to profess. I think the Queen met the criterion.

I always laugh at that South Park episode where the damned souls in hell ask the tour guide of the nether regions which religion made it to heaven, and he replies, "The Mormons."

21 posted on 09/23/2022 4:28:14 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: NeverCheney

Graham is one of that long line of Christian ministers who set out to do good and end up doing well.


22 posted on 09/23/2022 4:29:34 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: vladimir998

“...Anglican Faith which has now almost completely gone into apostacy....”

Most of the Anglicans continue to believe and worship according to the faith handed down to them over the centuries. There were several articles last month about the estrangement within. I don’t have the exact numbers but there are around 170 provinces throughout world and only seven or eight have gone astray. It happens to be the wealthiest provinces such as the USA, Church of England, Australia, South Africa and a few others. The split within the Anglican Communion was apparent at the Lambeth Conference this summer. There was much about it in the Religion thread of FR.


23 posted on 09/23/2022 4:36:36 PM PDT by elpadre (W )
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To: elpadre

“Most of the Anglicans continue to believe and worship according to the faith handed down to them over the centuries.”

Which in itself is apostacy or part of it no matter how you slice it.


24 posted on 09/23/2022 6:15:03 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

He did well for his soul. I do not think he ever earned more than $30-$40k per year.


25 posted on 09/23/2022 6:15:25 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

In my younger days, I always went to church on Easter. On Easter morning, 1969, I attended a service at MACV HQ Saigon. Billy Graham was the preacher. I doubt if he was there for the money.


26 posted on 09/23/2022 6:25:58 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: Sicvee

I am sure he was not, unlike a lot of the current TV pastors.


27 posted on 09/23/2022 6:35:43 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: vladimir998

“..Which in itself is apostacy...”

That sort of thing to know is not in my pay grade. What is the “apostacy” of the Anglican Communion from the past??


28 posted on 09/23/2022 6:47:59 PM PDT by elpadre (W )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
I do not think he ever earned more than $30-$40k per year.

Probably subsisting on turnips and moldy potatoes, preaching in the catacombs.

29 posted on 09/23/2022 7:02:04 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: elpadre

http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/leaflets/schism.htm


30 posted on 09/23/2022 7:04:19 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: proust

It is possible to be Church of England (traditional type, not their current apostasy). And I highly doubt she was on board with the newer tenets, even though she was, by law, I guess, the head. Probably used the same Book of Common Prayer she had since she was young.


31 posted on 09/23/2022 7:55:29 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray withSout ceasing)y)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

You’re right Christianity is centered on Jesus Christ.

His finished work on the cross and His ressurection paved the way for anyone who comes to Him. ....”No one comes to the Father except by me” he said... There is no other way to God or Heaven.

The problem with the different flavors is far too many require conditions to meet their churches brand. All their do’s and don’ts. Where Christ says to come ‘freely”.....He puts nothing as obstacles but to come freely to Him just as you are.

I recall just wanting to know about Him. So the best record was the Bible and where I began. It’s a good place for anone to begin. The books of Matthew, Mark Luke and John give a history of his life.

At any rate - He always has things lined up once you begin .... and meets us along the way.


32 posted on 09/23/2022 8:08:23 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Alter Kaker

No, the Act of Settlement simply banned accession by a Catholic. It placed no strictures on types of non-catholicism.


33 posted on 09/24/2022 12:09:01 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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No, the Act of Settlement simply banned accession by a Catholic. It placed no strictures on types of non-catholicism.

Nope. From the Act: "That whosoever shall hereafter come to the possession of this Crown, shall join in communion with the Church of England, as by law established"

That's not any Protestant church, that's the established Church of England.

34 posted on 09/24/2022 4:47:46 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Nope. “That whosoever shall hereafter come to the possession of this Crown, shall join in communion with the Church of England, as by law established.” Moreover, in her Coronation oath she swore she’d be an Anglican (or whatever church was established by law, which just happens to be Anglicanism.)


35 posted on 09/24/2022 4:51:26 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

And yet the minute she crossed the border into Scotland she became an ordinary member of the Church of Scotland.


36 posted on 09/24/2022 5:50:15 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Atsk about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Alter Kaker; GreenLanternCorps
There have been changes. Since 1910 the relevant coronation oath is as follows:

"I [monarch’s name] do solemnly and sincerely in the presence of God profess, testify and declare that I am a faithful Protestant, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the Protestant succession to the Throne of my Realm, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my powers according to law."

And in 1972 the Church of England revise its canon so that

"There shall be admitted to the Holy Communion.... .. baptized persons who are communicant members of other Churches which subscribe to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, and who are in good standing in their own Church"

which means that the provision of the AoS "That whosoever shall hereafter come to the Possession of this Crown shall joyn in Communion with the Church of England as by Law established" could be satisfied by a member of any Protestant denomination except one which denies the Trinity.

37 posted on 09/24/2022 6:29:45 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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