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Ukraine War Planned YEARS AGO Documents Reveal
The Jimmy Dore Show via Youtube ^ | 9/21/22 | Staff

Posted on 09/21/2022 7:56:03 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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To: kiryandil

“I was listening to Alexander Mercouris the other day, and he said that the Russians have been manufacturing millions of artillery shells annually since at least 2010... “

Make sense, after all it was the West that invented the term “Peace Process” as in “The Middle East Peace Process”. What the hell does that mean? You either have peace or not.

I suspect our best and brightest (well, with the required ethnic distribution) look at war as a ‘process’. When we need shells we’ll make them - kind of like executing a ‘war process’. Just a phone call or two to get that going, or flash a few greenbacks if really necessary.

The Russians see it different - they know it takes YEARS to substantially ramp up production of anything, so instead they figure it’s best to have them already manufactured and ready for use.


21 posted on 09/21/2022 8:19:01 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
It's called contingency planning. Our military has been doing it for at least a hundred years against every possible threat. See the Wikipedia article on the United States color-coded war plans in the 1920's and 30's. I am sure that Russia and every major power is doing the same. This is just trying to make it more than it seems and justify Russia's land-grab.
22 posted on 09/21/2022 8:28:59 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: adorno

“Putin was not going to stop with Ukraine. He was planning on rebuilding the old Soviet Union”

Link please.


23 posted on 09/21/2022 8:29:09 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: cranked

And there’s old “cranked” ready with the Russian troll propaganda... again (consider the news).


24 posted on 09/21/2022 8:29:34 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: TheBattman

Your sources are where?


25 posted on 09/21/2022 8:30:01 PM PDT by cranked
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To: BobL; Its All Over Except ...

😂😂🤣🤣

You forgot to call the OP a “dirty RuZZian.”


26 posted on 09/21/2022 8:31:17 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Obama promised Putinhe could have the Ukraine when he was president.


27 posted on 09/21/2022 8:32:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Allegra

“😂😂🤣🤣 You forgot to call the OP a “dirty RuZZian.”

Thanks, but he knows that he’s a TOOL of Putin, otherwise he would be GLADLY following the Biden Administration into WW3.


28 posted on 09/21/2022 8:33:39 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: PGR88

The 3 global warmonger stooges


29 posted on 09/21/2022 8:37:22 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: kiryandil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_City_Army_Ammunition_Plant


30 posted on 09/21/2022 8:38:14 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: BobL

Uki flag wavers don’t care — only their emotions matter


31 posted on 09/21/2022 8:38:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kiryandil

we manufacture 1.4 Billion a year


32 posted on 09/21/2022 8:38:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Long Jon No Silver
The 3 global warmonger stooges


33 posted on 09/21/2022 8:40:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: BobL

Yes, they are rather simple-minded and remind me of spoiled 5-year Olds with their behavior.


34 posted on 09/21/2022 8:41:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Yes, they are rather simple-minded and remind me of spoiled 5-year Olds with their behavior.”

While they sound simple-minded (”Russia invaded, so Russia bad”), it’s really the only moral ground they can try to stand on. If they go to the history of the conflict, then they lose the argument.


35 posted on 09/21/2022 8:46:28 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: Sacajaweau

“we manufacture 1.4 Billion a year”

Bullets, not shells.


36 posted on 09/21/2022 8:49:28 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: DonaldC

Indeed. Contingency war planning is essential to military preparedness.


37 posted on 09/21/2022 8:50:33 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: BobL

Our alliance with Ukraine started at the end of the neocon Bush/Cheney Presidency.

Condoleezza Rice signed a US Ukraine Strategic Partnership document before the end of the Bush administration.

This document was updated on November 10, 2021 by Blinken and his Ukrainian counterpart. The new document says the United States and Ukraine will never accept a Russian Crimea.(We now are “on the hook” over Slavic border disagreements)

Moscow wants a pro Russian puppet Ukraine government.

Washington DC wants a pro Western puppet Ukraine government.

An independent Ukraine was always an illusion for neocon idealists.(Ukraine doesn’t have the money or power to be an independent operator)
Ukrainian leadership chose to align their country with the West and is now paying the price for their stupidity.

Its a shame this war happened but it was easily predicted by foreign policy types like John Mearsheimer.


38 posted on 09/21/2022 8:53:37 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Seriously mentally ill people in charge are on a vendetta against Putin to the point they’ll burn the world down to get there.

Call your congress critters and let them know We Don’t Want War.


39 posted on 09/21/2022 8:56:36 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: DannyTN; BobL; DonaldC; TheBattman; cranked; PGR88; Allegra

To DannyTN

False Equivalency. Russia under Putin wasn’t expanding north building a “NATO,” in Central America to put soldiers eventually in Mexico.

Nor were there Russian George Bush’s agitating for inclusion of Ukraine in NATO under him, nor were there Russia McCain’s giving speeches in Ukraine agitating the crowds under him.

Nor was there the following from Russia provoking, so think logically:

C.) Obama Openly Admits ‘Brokering Power Transition’ in Ukraine

https://youtu.be/bmUNCsT8TjU

D) Salon
3/10/22

“Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and its founders, Oleh Tyahnybok and Andriy Parubiy, played leading roles in the U.S-backed coup [against a legally-elected government] in February 2014. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt mentioned Tyahnybok as one of the leaders they were working with in their infamous leaked phone call before the coup, even as they tried to exclude him from an official position in the post-coup government.

...it was Yarosh who took to the stage in the Maidan and rejected the Feb. 21, 2014 agreement negotiated by the French, German and Polish foreign ministers, under which President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition political leaders agreed to hold new elections later that year. Instead, Yarosh and Right Sector refused to disarm and led the climactic march on Parliament that overthrew the government.

... 2014, Nuland and the State Department got their favorite, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, installed as prime minister of the post-coup government.”

E.) WION
Gravitas Plus: Did NATO Push Ukraine Into War?

“...Palki Sharma tells you how western arrogance and NATO expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine”

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU


40 posted on 09/21/2022 9:02:58 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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