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1 posted on 09/21/2022 2:02:59 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

Kamil Galeev, a young Tatar from Kazan, on the political risks to Putin’s continued tenure of a total mobilization. Background note: The current Russian imperial capital is Moscow. Until Nicholas II was killed, that capital was St. Petersburg.


2 posted on 09/21/2022 2:03:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

I find it impossible to take seriously “this time Putin/Russia is in trouble” articles from a number of posters on FR.

I know nothing about Russian warehouses or logistics, so will file this away and check later.

yesterday I thought about the 100 times or so we have been told Putin is dying of cancer.

And yet there he was at the SCO in Samarkand two days ago, standing on stage, alone, without a podium, fielding questions from reporters for 45 minutes, answering completely extemporaneously, in complete sentences and fully-formed, logical replies. Joe Biden should be so lucky to have whatever disease Putin supposedly has.

Again, we have seen SO MANY LIES, you and others are on a very short leash.


3 posted on 09/21/2022 2:14:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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It’s interesting. My only quibble is that neither the Soviet Union nor Russia have ever been big on “NCO’s”. At least, not in the way we would normally understand them in the West.


4 posted on 09/21/2022 2:16:37 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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“4) place them under the capable officers and NCOs”

Russia has neither.


5 posted on 09/21/2022 2:16:38 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Yeah! Russians and Ukrainians will kill each other.

I don’t care.


8 posted on 09/21/2022 2:36:41 PM PDT by steveyp
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There are *not” millions of young males being mobilized.

Why do these journalists make these stories up?

300,000. All reservists or military specialists.


11 posted on 09/21/2022 2:43:50 PM PDT by MarMema (No bugs for consumption)
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Some nobody’s Tweet is not news.


13 posted on 09/21/2022 2:46:07 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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I’m so happy the Clintons sold all that Uranium to Russia. Just nuke Ukraine, be done with it


14 posted on 09/21/2022 2:51:01 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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Well that was a fine waste of time. What orifice did you pull all of that speculation from? Here’s the release actually outlining the plan. It will help to correct most of what you just wrote.

MOSCOW, September 21. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday declared a partial mobilization plan. Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu clarified that a total of 300,000 men - about 1% of the mobilization potential - would be called up for military service.

Mobilization will concern those who have already served in the army, primarily those with combat experience and a military specialty. University students and conscripts will enjoy exemption, Shoigu said. TASS has summarized the gist of what is known at this point about the first partial mobilization in Russia’s recent history.

Why is mobilization necessary?

- Russia in Ukraine is confronted with “virtually the entire military machine of the collective West,” with the length of the engagement line exceeding a thousand kilometers, Putin said.

- The goals of the military operation, according to the president, remain unchanged - “the liberation of the entire territory of Donbass.”

- Mobilization, as Shoigu explained, is carried out to ensure proper control of the already liberated territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, as well as parts of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

How many reservists will be called up

- Partial mobilization will apply to 300,000 reservists, or approximately 1% of the mobilization potential: those with military service experience and a military specialty. There are almost 25 million such men in Russia, Shoigu said.

- Russia plans to mobilize about the same number of reservists as Ukraine has already drafted into the army, Shoigu said.

Who will be called up for service

In his televised address to the nation Putin said that “only citizens who are currently in reserve - above all, those who served in the armed forces and have certain military specialties - are subject to conscription under partial mobilization.”

- Mobilization will concern those with combat experience in the first place, Shoigu said on the Rossiya-24 TV channel.

- Recruitment of students is ruled out “under any circumstance,” he stressed.

- Mobilization will not apply to the conscripts to be drafted starting from October 1. There are no plans for sending conscripts to the zone of the operation in Ukraine. They will continue to serve on Russian territory.

- Military-industrial complex employees will be granted a deferment from mobilization, as follows from Putin’s decree. Other specific categories of citizens entitled to a deferment and the procedure for granting it will be determined by the government.

How will the mobilization proceed?

- Partial mobilization in accordance with the presidential decree begins on September 21. No date of its termination is set.

- The number of draftees and the terms of draft from each specific region will be determined by the Defense Ministry. Their senior officials will be responsible for the appropriate arrangements.

- Due to partial mobilization the routine crash courses for reservists will be canceled.

- Conscription will not be instant, but proceed but according to a plan. Shoigu stressed that there would be “nothing like a ‘wide-cut harvester approach’ to the issue.”

- All those mobilized will undergo additional training before being sent to the zone of the military operation.

Status of those mobilized

- The mobilized will enjoy the same status and monetary allowance as the military personnel under the contract.

- The already existing contracts will be valid until the end of the partial mobilization period. Both contract servicemen and those mobilized can be dismissed from service upon reaching the service age limit, for health reasons, or if they have been sentenced to imprisonment.

- Volunteers participating in the operation and the fighters of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics’ militia will have the status identical to that of Russian military personnel.

What the law says

- The law assumes that exemption from mobilization will be granted to citizens identified according to the rules determined by the government, temporarily unfit for service for health reasons, single fathers and fathers with many children, guardians or trustees of underage brothers and sisters, and a number of other categories. Postponement is also granted to senators and State Duma members.

- Other Russians can also be granted a reprieve in accordance with a presidential decree (this time it was established for defense industry workers).

- Mobilization also cannot apply to those who have an unexpunged or outstanding conviction for committing a serious crime.

- Those who are in reserve, but have not been called up, can be sent to work for the armed forces and other troops as civilian personnel. The Defense Ministry has not yet announced such plans.

- Citizens enrolled in the military register from the beginning of mobilization do not have the right to leave their place of residence without permission from the military commissariats. The authorities have not yet specified whether this provision will apply to those not subject to partial mobilization.


15 posted on 09/21/2022 2:55:50 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Zhang Fei

Thank you, good stuff.
An interesting background that fills in many unexplained questions.

My question was why did they keep thousands of ancient armored vehicles that were far beyond anything resembling a can point?.
Now it fits and makes some sense.

Also now learning that “Quantity has a quality all its own.” may not always be a true statement.


29 posted on 09/21/2022 4:07:08 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Zhang Fei
There were big questions before Putin's announcement:
40 posted on 09/21/2022 4:39:31 PM PDT by DannyTN
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This, here, is a damn good ping.
Makes staying on FR worth it.


48 posted on 09/21/2022 5:24:15 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Imagine!? Conservative, unchanged/unbowed, all these years on FR, and not banned yet. LoL.)
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To: Zhang Fei
#4 is key -- Putin sent in his elite units and his professional army for his "Special Military operation" -- and they got killed

Units are at 50% capacity and the NCO and officer levels are destroyed.

He doesn't have any training staff, few NCOs and fewer capable and experienced officers

the 300K will be undertrained (if at all) and even worse led than the current Russian army in Ukraine

Putin is killing Russia

54 posted on 09/22/2022 12:32:44 AM PDT by Cronos
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