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The rout begins in southern Ukraine...
1 posted on 09/13/2022 8:03:27 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

lol


2 posted on 09/13/2022 8:05:59 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Timber Rattler

Man, I hope so


3 posted on 09/13/2022 8:06:39 PM PDT by 11th_VA (My gender is MAGA.)
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To: Timber Rattler

🤣


4 posted on 09/13/2022 8:07:58 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Timber Rattler
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

This was not an operational trap by Russia, but neither was it a victory in battle for Ukraine - for the simple reason that there was not much of a battle at all. Russia had already hollowed out these positions, and withdrew the remaining screening forces very quickly. Ukraine covered a lot of ground, but were unable to destroy any Russian units, because there really weren’t any there.

It would be silly to try to talk the Ukrainian side out of their excitement right now. Credit where credit is due, they did manage to put together a good sized shock group, aim it at a weak portion of the front, and regain a good bit of ground. Considering the abject lack of successes for Ukraine in this war, they are rightfully trying to eke every last bit of morale and propaganda out of this.

I do not, however, believe that the territorial losses in Kharkov in any way change the ultimate calculus of the war. Russia hollowed out this front and surrendered ground, but they were able to maul the Ukrainian forces as they advanced with relentless artillery and airstrikes. Ukrainian channels widely report overflowing hospitals. The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed 4,000 killed and 8,000 wounded for Ukraine during their advance - I believe this is high, but even if we reduce the numbers by 50% (leaving us with 6,000 total casualties, reasonable given how much ordnance Russia discharged) it is very clear that the loss ratios in this operation were stacked badly against Ukraine, as they always are.

5 posted on 09/13/2022 8:08:01 PM PDT by Kazan
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There has also been some partisan activity in area by the Ukies as well. Taking Melitopol and the surrounding area would cut the “land bridge” to Crimea and force the Russians to supply the Kherson front through Crimea. That would be “yuge” for the Ukies.


6 posted on 09/13/2022 8:11:31 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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This is all great news as long as the good guys have the ability to establish defense lines to protect the rapid gains.


7 posted on 09/13/2022 8:14:44 PM PDT by Kahuna
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Worst military debacle in modern history. Putin cant survive this and he doesn’t have the resources to double down. Hes screwed.


8 posted on 09/13/2022 8:15:11 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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Ordered to “advance to the rear” or outright mutiny?


9 posted on 09/13/2022 8:16:10 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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LOL- I do believe a New York Post reporter has been punked.


12 posted on 09/13/2022 8:36:09 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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This is only a surprise to Civilians.
I am career military. The Russky military man is a joke. Their command and control structure is antiquated and pathetic.
It is a top-down, command structure. Rigid. It does not allow for any initiative by any mid to low-level personnel. Neither officer nor non-com.
If the top-level planning is utterly flawed their entire force structure becomes paralyzed.
But, that is not the crux of their issues. The real issue is the Russian forces are totally unmotivated. They do not want to fight. They are conscripts with no passion for the fight.
If not for the fact that Russia has a good many ICBM’s in their arsenal; they would be a complete joke on the world stage as a military threat.
This applies equally to Communist China.
Both countries rely on threats and posturing aimed towards the weak coward politicians in western nations to aid them in their huffing and puffing threats and propaganda.
The enemies of the USA are well aware that they have sympathetic Allies within the USA.


19 posted on 09/13/2022 8:54:14 PM PDT by ocrp1982
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I believe little from both side’s public statements. I do believe in maps. The maps show Russian forces in retreat in Eastern Ukraine and much territory now regained by the Ukraine. I have no idea if they can continue these gains nor Russia’s ability to stop it.

You will not find the answers on the evening news.


20 posted on 09/13/2022 9:20:35 PM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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COUNTER STRIKE Dramatic videos show Russian troops surrendering EN MASSE as morale is ‘in the toilet’ in face of Ukraine blitz
Tariq Tahir
10:44 ET, Sep 13 2022

https://www.the-sun.com/news/6211083/russian-troops-surrendering-ukraine-helicopter-blasts-targets/

DYNAMIC MAP
https://www.facebook.com/100001964646190/videos/2808812095929977/

Ukrainian troops are in Izium!
https://www.facebook.com/mar.solosolo.94/videos/378963974441435?idorvanity=4681570201941711


23 posted on 09/13/2022 10:38:37 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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Your enemy is....
https://imgur.com/a/q5rHuKF#zKbGsXA


27 posted on 09/13/2022 11:20:09 PM PDT by cranked
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Here is further proof that they are all the same people.
The Russian stove[1] (Russian: русская печь) is a type of masonry stove that first appeared in the 15th century.[2] It is used both for cooking and domestic heating in traditional Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian households.[3] The Russian stove burns firewood or wood manufacturing waste.[3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_stove

The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestor,[12] with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it. At its greatest extent in the mid-11th century, Kievan Rus' stretched from the White Sea in the north to the Black Sea in the south and from the headwaters of the Vistula in the west to the Taman Peninsula in the east,[13][14] uniting the East Slavic tribes.[8]
And of course the Capitol was Kiev from 882 to 1240.
29 posted on 09/13/2022 11:44:32 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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It’s rather amazing how rapid the Russian lines have melted away. The underpaid Russian military is finding that trying to impose Putin’s will in a foreign country against a determined opponent battling for his survival has become untenable.


31 posted on 09/14/2022 4:30:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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This is why I’m no longer a Republican. The GOP and its house organs are little more than a subsidiary of the deep state and its EU-controlled oligarchy. Russia will win this war in its own way, in its own time, and the world (especially Eastern Europe) will be a better place, once the re-alignment is complete and the EU/NATO learns to stay on its own side of the fence. Slava the Ukrainian people, but Zelensky and his shills can go back to their Florida McMansions where they belong.


33 posted on 09/14/2022 3:04:54 PM PDT by scottinoc
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