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Ukrainian Officials Drew on U.S. Intelligence to Plan Counteroffensive
The New York Times ^ | September 10, 2022 | Julian E. Barnes and Helene Cooper

Posted on 09/10/2022 5:49:27 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

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1 posted on 09/10/2022 5:49:27 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I’m shocked to hear this, shocked.


2 posted on 09/10/2022 5:52:31 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

Germans planned this and probably commanded most of it. It positively rings of Teutonic efficiency.


3 posted on 09/10/2022 5:53:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: McGruff

I’m shocked you dumb bastards are still pretending its somehow damning and controversial.


4 posted on 09/10/2022 5:55:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: BenLurkin

Germans planned this and probably commanded most of it. It positively rings of Teutonic efficiency.
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But , depending on Ivan’s energy to fuel your manufacturing, heat your infrastructure, rings of stupidity. I guess you can be efficient and stupid at the same time.


5 posted on 09/10/2022 6:07:38 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

They conveniently forget how the Soviets gave satellite info to the NVA? (Among many other things.)


6 posted on 09/10/2022 6:08:21 PM PDT by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: McGruff
Tsk....some still think the Ukrainians are leading this war.......blindly fooled and entrenched in the Ukrainian propaganda. They still haven't figure out the difference between withdrawal and retreat as Russia continues to carry out it's targeted areas. They prefer the Ukraine military believe they've taken back areas. .....but of course this keeps their military fighting so the $$$$ and armament continue to flow in.
7 posted on 09/10/2022 6:09:21 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: delta7

Seems like the Germans have always been efficient and stupid at the same time.


8 posted on 09/10/2022 6:12:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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“They still haven’t figure out the difference between withdrawal and retreat as Russia continues to carry out it’s targeted areas.”

Some onehas Od’d on the copium.


9 posted on 09/10/2022 6:15:24 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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Throughout the war, the United States has provided Ukraine with information...

It's a proxy war between the US and Russia. I don't think the Russians will forget that in the future.

10 posted on 09/10/2022 6:16:12 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: caww

In other words, you are repeating the classic Russian troll line of “but we MEANT to do that!”


11 posted on 09/10/2022 6:17:32 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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The German military barely exists. This was us. We have infinitely more experienced combat officers at all levels.


12 posted on 09/10/2022 6:17:40 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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The Germans have not planned a military operation since mid 1945. What makes you think they had a hand in this operation?


13 posted on 09/10/2022 6:18:10 PM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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If our guys planned this then God bless ‘em.


14 posted on 09/10/2022 6:19:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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Most unlikely it was Germans. It’s straight out of US Staff College, with a “poor army” practicality - doing more with less expediency.

If I had to name the flavor, it’s actually Israeli, 1967 era.


15 posted on 09/10/2022 6:21:58 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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Americans

https://www.amazon.com/Maneuver-Warfare-Handbook-WESTVIEW-MILITARY/dp/086531862X


16 posted on 09/10/2022 6:29:35 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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This’ll get the Putinistas hyperventilating. ;)

Heroism of Ukrainians should change NATO’s attitude towards prospect of Ukraine’s membership, which will only strengthen the Alliance – Andriy Yermak at YES meeting
10 September 2022 - 23:30
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/geroyizm-ukrayinciv-maye-zminiti-stavlennya-nato-do-perspekt-77673


17 posted on 09/10/2022 6:32:06 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Timber Rattler

They arrived in Kupiansk, too, to the north of Izyum. Amazing progress.

Ukraine Troops Reach Railway Hub as Breakthrough Threatens to Turn into Rout (see Kupiansk in the article)
https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-troops-reach-railway-hub-as-breakthrough-threatens-to-turn-into-rout/


18 posted on 09/10/2022 6:37:50 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: buwaya

You could argue truthfully that maneuver warfare developed from German doctrine in WW2, but we’re the primary practitioners of it now.


19 posted on 09/10/2022 6:42:58 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: buwaya

And Bill Lind was a pretty sharp guy - he came to Quantico once when I was there and had a meet and BS session with Tactics instructors back in the 80’s when we began shifting doctrine.


20 posted on 09/10/2022 6:45:43 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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