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To: vladimir998

“The latest successes of the Ukrainians just shows that the Russians are just poorly prepared for this war.”

I admitted that the Russians were caught completely off guard by the NATO attack, when they had been prepared for a ground-down Ukrainian attack. They screwed up.

But as to Kiev, the net effect of the 30,000 troops was to tie-down reinforcements to prevent the Ukrainians from moving against the Russians in Donbass, and it worked perfectly as far as that went. I haven’t seen any evidence yet that the Russians expected to be greeted as liberators in Kiev and I doubt that was the case, as Russia, more so than many here, fully understands the difference in the people in Kiev versus Donbass.


45 posted on 09/10/2022 4:00:14 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 39 degrees...time to fire up those heaters. Oh, never mind.)
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To: BobL

“I admitted that the Russians were caught completely off guard by the NATO attack,”

There was no NATO attack. It was Ukrainians.

“But as to Kiev, the net effect...”

Oh, so now it’s the “net effect”?

“I haven’t seen any evidence yet that the Russians expected to be greeted as liberators in Kiev”

1) The Russians - and I mean the Russian people - said that the Ukrainians wanted to be liberated: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/12/02/russia-ukraine-liberated/

2) Russian prisoners have said repeatedly that they were told they would be greeted as liberators: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war

I presented evidence. Will you do the same?


47 posted on 09/10/2022 4:31:50 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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