Posted on 09/09/2022 2:01:55 PM PDT by karpov
We constantly hear that electric cars are the future—cleaner, cheaper and better. But if they’re so good, why does California need to ban gasoline-powered cars? Why does the world spend $30 billion a year subsidizing electric ones?
In reality, electric cars are only sometimes and somewhat better than the alternatives, they’re often much costlier, and they aren’t necessarily all that much cleaner. Over its lifetime, an electric car does emit less CO2 than a gasoline car, but the difference can range considerably depending on how the electricity is generated. Making batteries for electric cars also requires a massive amount of energy, mostly from burning coal in China. Add it all up and the International Energy Agency estimates that an electric car emits a little less than half as much CO2 as a gasoline-powered one.
The climate effect of our electric-car efforts in the 2020s will be trivial. If every country achieved its stated ambitious electric-vehicle targets by 2030, the world would save 231 million tons of CO2 emissions. Plugging these savings into the standard United Nations Climate Panel model, that comes to a reduction of 0.0002 degree Fahrenheit by the end of the century.
Electric cars’ impact on air pollution isn’t as straightforward as you might think. The vehicles themselves pollute only slightly less than a gasoline car because their massive batteries and consequent weight leads to more particulate pollution from greater wear on brakes, tires and roads. On top of that, the additional electricity they require can throw up large amounts of air pollution depending on how it’s generated. One recent study found that electric cars put out more of the most dangerous particulate air pollution than gasoline-powered cars in 70% of U.S. states.
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
if there was no climate emergency
EVs would be stupid
there is no climate emergency
I read somewhere that the reserves of materials to make enough batteries for the EVs to replace IC vehicles simply don’t exist.
“I read somewhere that the reserves of materials to make enough batteries for the EVs to replace IC vehicles simply don’t exist.”
I read that not everything you read is true.
Watch for some climate “emergency” being declared and an EV mandate to go along with it. Sound familiar?
Then they’ll just have to force those starving little kids to dig harder and deeper.
Yeah, but this was a pretty good source. Went into specifics. I am PO’d that I didn’t bookmark it.
good comeback
Mmmmmm …. TG is spreading some weak-sauce there.
Just wait until the battery needs replacing.
EV fires are difficult to put out. There was one fire in particular that the firefighters had no choice but to build a makeshift pool and simply submerge the vehicle.
I was talking about this with my kid the other day
He said a big dump truck or two full of sand would take care of it.
I wonder, if an EV fire causes road damage, who pays to fix the road ?
I think the elites are planning for this EV thing to be a major train wreck for us regular folks . . . I think an evil plan is afoot.
That's the only part of the article I disagree with. Yes, my EV is heavier than a comparable ICE car, but the fact of the matter is my brake pads are used for a fraction of my deceleration. Probably about 80% of my deceleration comes from regenerative breaking (with the electric motor being used as a generator to convert kinetic energy into electrical energy). That's pretty common among EV's. So if anything, EV's generate less wear (read: particulate matter pollution from brake pads, if that's even a thing) from brake pads than ICE cars.
Everything else in the article is probably spot on. It's a fantasy to talk like EV's don't harm the environment.
Watch for the Elites to call for the killing of horses.
Just dig a deep hole and push it in, then cover it up.
The replacement cost of the batteries will soon skyrocket, as you will be competing with a bunch of folks that also want to replace their batteries. Very scarce resources go into these battery packs, and is already harder to get than gas in Europe.
AND....as soon as the EPA addresses the disposal of the old, toxic batteries, you will see the cost of batts go up even more.
And how about tires for your ev? How and what are they made of? Any “fossil fuel” involved?
How about the equipment needed to mine the materials for the batteries? Are those big heavy mining machines running on electric?
They promise us the Jetsons
But deliver us the Flintstones
A complete cut-over to EVs is an impossibility and extreme environment disaster in that California idiocy of 13 years (2035). Current components for battery packs weighing in the half-ton range will destroy the mining areas and send the lithium, cobalt and copper prices into 3-5 times current costs. Add to this a near frightening electricity draw every night as commuters return home for a 6+ hour charge!
I do drive a PHEV that gives me ~25 miles of gas-free range and recharges at 220amps in 2-3 hours. Since I also have a 450-500 mile gasoline range, I am generally free of STOP limitations. Yet, in real world experience, my car's battery is about 300 pounds, lot less of a manufacturing burden, and reduces gas usage to the point that I use gas preservative in my car's tank. Does this not meet a large portion of what is desired / legislated? Reduction in fossil fuels and pollution?
Problem with zealots is that they want it all and yesterday is too late! Their problem is that 'perfection is a world of required change while good (PHEV) needs less and accomplishes much!'
Nothing . . . and I mean NOTHING would surprise me.
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