Posted on 09/01/2022 2:47:56 PM PDT by lump in the melting pot
Of course she didn’t say it. You suffer from the liberal illness of attaching nefarious “racist” sense to speech that doesn’t consist of any.
For Pete’s sake, we always knew that Russia’s ultimate trump card was the threat of nuclear war. Otherwise, the US and NATO could have invaded and crushed them years ago. Now NATO is threatening the hell out of Russia, along with the rest of the EU. What the hell do you expect them to do? Of course they’re going to remind people what will happen if things get out of hand.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4089958/posts?page=16#16
Russia got busted firing into Enerhodar from the ESE direction. Caught with its pants down,on video.
This missile strike was caught on camera, landing on the southeastern steps of a medical center inside Enerhodar.
The crater left behind indicates the munition came from the southeast or east.
Ukraine’s alleged assaults can only come from the NORTH or NORTHWEST.
Unless Ukraine has missiles that can do a high speed U-turn south of Enerhodar it is IMPOSSIBLE that Ukraine fired it, and IMPOSSIBLE that the missile wasn’t launched from a Russian held area.
That covers means. Motive? Obvious. False flag.
Opportunity? Timing was brilliant - they were trying to concoct excuses to restrict and delay the inspection. And, cut it short.
Finally - it’s a small rocket doing comparitively little damage, hitting the city not the NPP.
If the Ukes had fired it, even if it had hit the NPP (a mile away) it wouldn’t have done any serious damage to the safety of the plant. So much for Ukraine threatening the safety of the reactors, with these small things.
If the Russians fired it as a false flag they’d have known that it wouldn’t have presented a serious threat to the NPP... But that’s not what they were firing at.
The gymnastics needed to pin this on Ukes instead of Russia must be mentally exhausting.
“Right, Ukraine wants to blow up its own NPP and release radiation all over itself. Because Chernobyl was so much fun for them, they want to repeat the experience. That doesn’t sound like russian bullshit, at all...”
I could be Russian BS, it could be Ukrainian BS. I think that Ukraine is so thoroughly corrupt that they would welcome a release of radiation that they could blame on the Russians, and then demand Billions of dollars from the world to clean up (with many opportunities for graft for Ukrainians and donor country politicians).
Is it so hard to believe Ukraine would do this? I don’t think it is. I do find it harder to believe the Russians would do it.
The only thing that can ‘get out of hand’ is that russia’s invasion of Ukraine gets repelled. Does that warrant a nuclear response? Apparently so, according to russia, and some of its FR cheerleaders
My impression of this conflict is that it is being used, at least in part, as a means to collapse Putin’s government. Whatever reasons Putin had to invade Ukraine, the NATO/EU members are now using the situation to topple Putin and crush Russia. And if they’re going to threaten him with that, Putin’s going to threaten them with retaliation. People cheerleading all of this aggressive posturing toward Russia are insane.
Ukraine, with the approval of the Biden regime, is guilty of war crimes. And, you seem intent on defending it. We've become the new evil empire. It wouldn't be possible without your support. God knows the truth.
Get this through your incredibly thick skull.
1. Most if not all of the rockets landing in the area are hitting ENERHODAR not the plant. Russia is talking up the risk of rockets.
2. Ukraine’s arguments are about more than just rockets. Intimidated and overworked staff, blackmail, storing munitions and vehicles INSIDE THE COMPLEX...
3. As for rockets... not only has an eyewitness videoed a rocket hitting ENERHODAR From a Russian held location, the IAEA team actually found another one during their Inspection, half buried in the ground and obviously pointing Northwest. Normally that means it was traveling Northwest, doesn’t it?
There’s video footage of the inspectors asking Russian folks to explain it... the footage comes from people legitimately at the inspection, so don’t bother dismissing the source.
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1565674984202199042?t=wltSJ-2UMEmg0fOB-UgHug&s=19
Two rockets inspected in one day both angled as if they took off from Russian controlled areas. Explain that. Go on. We’ve all thrown a dart or javelin. We all know which direction the pointy bit points in.
4. “They’re not THAT insane” isn’t a counterargument with any credibility.
I’m willing to bet you would’ve said the same about them even launching an invasion 6.5 months ago on the same grounds.
Russia can’t even make its mind up why it launched the invasion. Its media flips from one excuse to another: Nazis, NATO, protecting the Russian language, Great Patriotic Wars...
Putin pretty much confirmed it’s really about ending all things Ukraine only this week.
Over 110,000 dead in Mariupol thanks to an operation meant to save it... Nearly triggering a catastrophe at Chernobyl...
Nope, Russia can’t use “we’re not THAT crazy” as an excuse because they bloody well ARE that crazy.
They hate the Ukrainian nation more than Hitler hated Jews.
The Russians have absolutely gone in soft in this war. They have gone out of their way to spare civilian live because THEY ARE LITERALLY liberating Donetsk and Lugansk with the full support of most of the citizens there, which are ethnically Russian. If you don't know that, you're grossly ignorant of what has gone on in Ukraine for the past eight years. A civil war, we helped foment, has been going on and the ethnic Russian population has been targeted.
It's the Ukrainians that have been using civilians as human shields, killing them if they try to escape, targeting troops that surrender, shelling civilians in Donetsk and shelling the nuclear power plant. All this with the consent of the Biden regime, which you are defending.
This evil will not be allowed to infect or damage the conservative movement.
I have family in Donetsk, and friends who had to flee Donetsk in 2014 when the russians invaded, because of credible threats to their lives (for the crime of being Jewish). But go on, ruski, keep telling me your lies.
You are not a conservative, you are either FSB, or one of its useful idiot recruits.
“No, it’s the Biden and Boris Johnson regimes and “the liberal world order” that doesn’t have any regard for the lives of Ukrainians”
Ha! How do you figure that out?
Since the Special Military Operation started, Russian fascists have found themselves able to cut loose with fantasies rarely expressed openly. The state television has barely managed to go 24 hours in the last six months without the presenters nodding as random blowhards are talking about wiping out Ukraine with the aim of making it as though it never existed as an independent state.
They’ve even had segments where they talked about the numbers of Ukrainian civilian dead to price in - 5% minimum, maybe up to 20%, of the entire Ukrainian population, in order to conquer AND hold that country for twenty years. What kind of mentality exists in Russia, that a national current affairs programme can even entertain a conversation that discusses the killing of THREE MILLION Ukrainians AFTER a surrender?
110,000 are confirmed dead in Mariupol - over 80,000 formally identified. That does include combatants on both sides, Russian civilians, and Ukrainian civilians, as well as Russia’s proxy fighters and a (comparitively far smaller) number of mercenaries fighting on Ukraine’s side.
Russians and Ukrainians who are currently in Britain as refugees, have seen those broadcasts - that is why they are here. They really think people who wank off about Soros and WEF and NWO as if that had anything whatsoever to do with over 8 million Ukrainians fleeing the country, should be dispossessed of metal cutlery and only allowed to eat with plastic sporks.
Many of these people didn’t believe the Special Military Operation would happen, until it did. They now think anyone who still protests “but Russia would NEVER do that” is beyond delusional.
“If you don’t know that, you’re grossly ignorant of what has gone on in Ukraine for the past eight years.”
I’ve read accounts from all sides for over ten years. I’ve worked with Russians and Ukrainians for twenty years. I read the Russian and DPR reports of the conflict, from 2014 to 2016 - when the separatists were broadly getting it right (despite omitting the presence of obvious Russian imported help). You won’t find a single post with a kind word for Poroshenko’s regime, from me.
But from 2019 onward, Kyiv and DPR reported progress was being made to de-escalate the conflict. You can regurgitate the rampant rashist manufactured denial of that as much as you like - but the only source for any alternative narrative is the Revanchist Russian ethnonationalist fascist scum who have been jonesing for a proxy war with the West for the last twenty years or more.
“This evil will not be allowed to infect or damage the conservative movement.”
I’ll tell you which evil is REALLY damaging the conservative movement. The ease with which the movement has been completely captured and gaslit by Stalinists who now don’t even bother trying to manufacture evidence for their lies - they don’t have to.
For the first time in my five decades on this planet, I’m watching (with utter astonishment) at how easily the Stalinists have not just come out of the closet, but are being clapped on by the American right wing. All they had to do was sponsor the Left and the libtards enough to give you Biden Derangement Syndrome, before kicking off the Stalinist Revival Project this time with your TOTAL approval.
And, many of them were neo-Nazis. Good riddance to them.
The Ukrainians in Mariupol were using civilians as human shields. In fact, civilians were being held hostage by the Ukrainians in the steel mill there.
Everything you claim is true about Russia is actually true of Ukraine. It doesn't resemble a free country or democracy. Zelensky has imprisoned opposition leaders, shutdown opposing media outlets and banned all opposition parties.
Ukraine has been the HOME of fascism -- neo-Nazism -- there are more than 150 monuments honoring Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Ukraine. Streets are named after Bandera. Children sing songs about him.
This war is all about $$$ -- filtering through Ukraine to our political elite. The Bidens, Clintons and Soros have made a fortune there. And, of course, Ukraine has been a gold mine for the defense industry as well.
Only leftist communists say “clapback”
Also Ukraine is the one shelling the area around the plant
Well, your clear pro Russian, pro-fascist, genocide-endorsing bias is well and truly busted into the open now.
In your first paragraph, you dismiss the deaths on the basis that some, most, maybe all of them might've been neo-Nazis. On what basis? Mariupol was a city that Russia INSISTED was full of Russian victims that it needed to save. The towns and villages around it were majority Russian. Many non-Russian Ukrainian Ukes got the hell out of dodge before the Russians arrived.)
Got a count for the pro-Russian folks in that number? Russian soldiers? Russian proxies, and paramilitary Separatists? Course not. Russia hasn't even attempted to do a count. So, not only do you not have a remote CLUE what these figures are, you think it's irrelevant - which is no surprise because Russia, Putin, and the Kremlin, don't care about it either. Some rescue operation; it was practically "kill 'em all and let God sort them out."
How about noncombatant deaths? Was it 80,000? 20,000? 2,000? Do you know that proportion either? Course not. Does Russia? Course not - it doesn't know, and it doesn't care.
A figure that MIGHT interest them - over 2 years during World War 2 the Nazis managed to kill 10,000 civilians in Mariupol, over 417 a month. And that's the highest death rate ever PROPERLY recorded in the city due to Nazism.
But, it took the Russian revanchist fascists less than three months of their Special Military Operation to kill 20,000 and forcibly transport at least as many more. (The figure comes from the lowest count of civilian deaths at the end of April, I'm prepared to assume that it was overcounted, and so treat it as a three month average rather than a two month average - giving a figure higher than 6000 a month.) No matter how you do the math, Russia's Special Military Operation has turned out to be sixteen times more efficient at killing civilians in Mariupol than the German Nazis of the 1940s.
The very next paragraph, you wheeled out the excuse for the non-Nazi proportion that Russia can't be bothered to even estimate let alone count (and doesn't feel an ounce of regret over).
"The Ukrainians in Mariupol were using civilians as human shields"
Well done you for reminding us of the excuse Putin got that excuse in on day one of the invasion, before his forces even got close to the Ukrainian civilians. And the excuse his commander, Major General Igor Konashenkov, chief spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defence, repeated in a news conference on February 28: “the armed forces of the Russian Federation strike only at military targets”.
While using human shields constitutes a war crime, prosecuting it is only viable if “a military target that is making use of human shields” AND “there is a specific intent to use the civilians to deter an attack”. A third component of the war crime prosecution is, was the attacker acting proportionately? Sniping at people inside a building with human shielding is definitely okay, fragging the entire block to get at a small group of fighters hiding behind a couple of hundred civilians definitely isn't.
Even if Mariupol Maternity and Childrens Hospitals did have some Uke fighters up on the roof or inside the buildings, shelling either while they were CLEARLY still being used as hospitals by civilians and medical workers was a deliberately commissioned war crime. The "human shields!" defence won't stand up for those incidents, because (a) the shelling was pre-planned, (b) the Russians knew the people in the hospital weren't prisoners but LIED to the world by insisting the building was not being used as a hospital anymore, and (c) there simply wasn't enough intelligence on their side to confirm a legitimate military target inside the building - they simply had a verbal assertion from a separatist recon group that turned out to be complete bullshit.
In what possible way was levelling an entire city and killing over 80,000 people just to get at an unknown number of Nazi fighters morally defensible? Even Russia knows, only a tiny minority of the Azov Batallion AND other NGU groups were confirmed neo-Nazis. Most of them weren't even Ukrainian nationalists. I even know one Russian from the Donbas who was in the NGU and ended up on patrol with Azov - and he put complaints in about the Nazis before taking a posting with a different group.
For a while I wasn't sure if you're sociopathic, incredibly stupid, or both. Because one clear reason why Russia's never even had to bother quantifying or proving any of its claims about Azov Nazis, is you represent the millions of USEFUL IDIOTS who give them the most perfect excuse not to bother. You just keep on lapping up every unevidenced, unsupported, unquantified claim they throw out. No matter how casual, callous, barbaric the action is they simply have to give you the Pavlovian dog whistle "It woz der Nazis!" and you're happy.
Russia could roll its tanks through a Christian church packed with kids, claim they were all Nazis, and you'd STILL unquestioningly chalk it down as a win for a perfectly legit anti-Nazi operation. On that basis, I think calling you stupid would be a dereliction of duty. You're actually an amoral, pro-genocide, pro-mass-murder disgrace to the human race.
Ukraine has been the HOME of fascism -- neo-Nazism -- there are more than 150 monuments honoring Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Ukraine. Streets are named after Bandera. Children sing songs about him.
SO WHAT? Russian children now read comics that glorify the extermination of Ukrainians, Polish, Germans, British, Americans. Russian television whips people up in favor of firing hypersonic nukes into Western cities. And, UNLIKE UKRAINE'S NAZIS, Russian Nazis are actually invading other countries and committing murders on an industrial scale. If I agreed that Russia had the moral right to flatten a whole city in another country just to get at a bunch of weekend Nazis, then I can just as easily argue we have the moral right to do the same to the revanchist fascists inside Russia. Except, you know as well as I do, we DON'T have that moral right... and neither did Russia.
Besides... Russia has never had a sensible internal discussion over WHY some Ukes have got to thinking that the "brotherly love" they get from Russians even during peacetime is TOXIC. Russia calls it Russophobia - a phobia is irrational, and there's NOTHING irrational about fearing the natural habitat of a revanchist fascist pro-genocide conquest festishism, of the kind we haven't seen since the rise of Stalinism AND Nazism. Putin with his Z, talking about a revival of Russian status through invasion, is like having Hitler in the 30s talking about restoring Germany to greatness through conquest and extermination. Except, Hitler didn't have nukes.
“This is what Russian Derangement Syndrome does to the mind — it retards it just like Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
No one likes the Russians. The Baltic States hate them. Odessa hates these Rus barbarians. The Pope hates them. You hate them. Russians oligarchs hate the Russians. So they run off to the UK to have their children educated there. The Iranians hate them but like their Russian built nuclear reactors.
Putin hates the young Russian men, so he sends them off to his stupid Ukraine war.
Worse, you believe and repeat BIDEN REGIME propaganda. I'd much rather be aligned with Russia, even though I'm not, than with Biden regime.
No, she was not threatening anyone, you child-molesting homosexual propagandist.
Mariupol was the home base of the Azov regiment, which Western media outlets for years before the war were exposed as neo-Nazi. The Azovs use a modified swastika as part of their logo. There were reports of around 13,000 Azov members in Mariupol that were dug in and willing to fight to the death and take as many civilians with them as they could.
I've seen the videos from 2014 after the revolution we fomented. Tanks rolled into Mariupol. The Ukrainian military had a shootout with local police. They literally took over the city against the will of large percentage, if not majority of the city.
I've also seen videos from May after the city had been liberated where thousands showed up to celebrate Victory Day. Those interviewed said they had wanted to be liberated and to be able celebrate Victory Day for eight years.
You are casting pearls of truth and wisdom before fascist swine.
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