“No, it’s the Biden and Boris Johnson regimes and “the liberal world order” that doesn’t have any regard for the lives of Ukrainians”
Ha! How do you figure that out?
Since the Special Military Operation started, Russian fascists have found themselves able to cut loose with fantasies rarely expressed openly. The state television has barely managed to go 24 hours in the last six months without the presenters nodding as random blowhards are talking about wiping out Ukraine with the aim of making it as though it never existed as an independent state.
They’ve even had segments where they talked about the numbers of Ukrainian civilian dead to price in - 5% minimum, maybe up to 20%, of the entire Ukrainian population, in order to conquer AND hold that country for twenty years. What kind of mentality exists in Russia, that a national current affairs programme can even entertain a conversation that discusses the killing of THREE MILLION Ukrainians AFTER a surrender?
110,000 are confirmed dead in Mariupol - over 80,000 formally identified. That does include combatants on both sides, Russian civilians, and Ukrainian civilians, as well as Russia’s proxy fighters and a (comparitively far smaller) number of mercenaries fighting on Ukraine’s side.
Russians and Ukrainians who are currently in Britain as refugees, have seen those broadcasts - that is why they are here. They really think people who wank off about Soros and WEF and NWO as if that had anything whatsoever to do with over 8 million Ukrainians fleeing the country, should be dispossessed of metal cutlery and only allowed to eat with plastic sporks.
Many of these people didn’t believe the Special Military Operation would happen, until it did. They now think anyone who still protests “but Russia would NEVER do that” is beyond delusional.
“If you don’t know that, you’re grossly ignorant of what has gone on in Ukraine for the past eight years.”
I’ve read accounts from all sides for over ten years. I’ve worked with Russians and Ukrainians for twenty years. I read the Russian and DPR reports of the conflict, from 2014 to 2016 - when the separatists were broadly getting it right (despite omitting the presence of obvious Russian imported help). You won’t find a single post with a kind word for Poroshenko’s regime, from me.
But from 2019 onward, Kyiv and DPR reported progress was being made to de-escalate the conflict. You can regurgitate the rampant rashist manufactured denial of that as much as you like - but the only source for any alternative narrative is the Revanchist Russian ethnonationalist fascist scum who have been jonesing for a proxy war with the West for the last twenty years or more.
“This evil will not be allowed to infect or damage the conservative movement.”
I’ll tell you which evil is REALLY damaging the conservative movement. The ease with which the movement has been completely captured and gaslit by Stalinists who now don’t even bother trying to manufacture evidence for their lies - they don’t have to.
For the first time in my five decades on this planet, I’m watching (with utter astonishment) at how easily the Stalinists have not just come out of the closet, but are being clapped on by the American right wing. All they had to do was sponsor the Left and the libtards enough to give you Biden Derangement Syndrome, before kicking off the Stalinist Revival Project this time with your TOTAL approval.
And, many of them were neo-Nazis. Good riddance to them.
The Ukrainians in Mariupol were using civilians as human shields. In fact, civilians were being held hostage by the Ukrainians in the steel mill there.
Everything you claim is true about Russia is actually true of Ukraine. It doesn't resemble a free country or democracy. Zelensky has imprisoned opposition leaders, shutdown opposing media outlets and banned all opposition parties.
Ukraine has been the HOME of fascism -- neo-Nazism -- there are more than 150 monuments honoring Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Ukraine. Streets are named after Bandera. Children sing songs about him.
This war is all about $$$ -- filtering through Ukraine to our political elite. The Bidens, Clintons and Soros have made a fortune there. And, of course, Ukraine has been a gold mine for the defense industry as well.