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James Baker: Gorbachev will be remembered as ‘giant’ who steered his nation toward democracy
The Hill ^ | 08/31/2022 | OLAFIMIHAN OSHIN

Posted on 08/31/2022 7:45:27 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Former Secretary of State James Baker on Tuesday paid tribute to former Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who died at 91 earlier in the day, calling the former world leader a “giant who steered his great nation toward democracy.”

In a statement published through his eponymous Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, Baker applauded Gorbachev’s role in ending the 40-year Cold War between Russia and the U.S., referring to him as an “honest broker” who stood by his word despite experiencing pressure from Moscow.

Baker served as the secretary of State in the George H.W. Bush administration from 1989 to 1992, during Gorbachev’s time as leader in Moscow

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: baker; democracy; giant; gorbachev; greenmovement; greens
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Crazy that baker was in the Nixon, ford, Reagan, and Bush 41 administrations
1 posted on 08/31/2022 7:45:27 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Since when was Russia ever a “Democracy”?


2 posted on 08/31/2022 7:46:17 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The Soviet Union could no longer afford to exist. And after both Andropov and Chernenko passed away within that short space of time, the communist leadership had no other choice but to bring a reformer like Gorbachev in.


3 posted on 08/31/2022 7:48:33 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966 )
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To: OttawaFreeper

Add in Chernobyl, as well.


4 posted on 08/31/2022 7:49:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Whatever smidgen of Democracy there was, quickly ended after Yelstin. Been a thugocracy ever since.


5 posted on 08/31/2022 7:49:28 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: ChicagoConservative27

So many American schmucks giving Gorby credit for bring down the Soviet Union, get a grip it was the one and only Ronald Reagan.


6 posted on 08/31/2022 7:52:41 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: OttawaFreeper
And after both Andropov and Chernenko passed away within that short space of time, the communist leadership had no other choice but to bring a reformer like Gorbachev in.

Deng Xiao-ping in China saw the Soviet Union, and specifically decided to go another route. Incremental reform, controlled by the CCP. First, let farmers sell non-quota production by themselves to ease food shortages. Allow private local enterprises to arise. Slowly introduce a concept of private property. All defined and controlled by the CCP

7 posted on 08/31/2022 7:53:42 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: ChicagoConservative27
James Baker

Who?

Johnny Carson as Reagan

8 posted on 08/31/2022 7:57:13 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️𓊹 𓌃 "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️)
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To: dfwgator

Russia is a democracy on paper but it is very corrupt and state media is corrupted too.

Sounds a lot like the US doesn’t it?

Gorbachev was a realist. He admitted that the USSR was broken and could not sustain itself and chaos ensued. He could have done what communist regimes have done throughout history and simply cracked down on his people, but he didn’t. For that, I have always had some admiration for him because he put himself at great personal risk doing what he did.

However, much of his “admiration society” in the West was formed from hatred of Ronald Reagan. Reagan deserved to share at least 50% of the credit for the dissolution of the USSR and likely the avoidance of a large war that was inevitable had the USSR continued.

The leftist hatred of President Reagan and the spewed venom of historians about him is a blight on our nation. Reagan was a great man with an inspired vision and belief and he executed that vision despite the opposition of the democrats and backstabbing by the republicrats. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?


9 posted on 08/31/2022 7:57:28 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: PGR88

Brilliant!


10 posted on 08/31/2022 7:57:46 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: libh8er
Introducing "democracy" (whatever that even means anymore) into a social order as culturally corrupt and dysfunctional as the Soviet Union was an exercise that was doomed to fail.

It's no different than "democracy" in places like New York City, Chicago, New Orleans, and a growing number of jurisdictions all across the U.S.

11 posted on 08/31/2022 7:58:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: libh8er

“Whatever smidgen of Democracy there was, quickly ended after Yelstin. Been a thugocracy ever since.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Coming soon to a country near you.

Wait, what?


12 posted on 08/31/2022 7:58:39 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: kenmcg

I give Reagan the most credit, definitely believe he deserves 50% of the credit at minimum as I stated above, but I also recognize that it took a lot of courage for Gorbachev to dissolve the USSR.

“Communists” don’t have a tendency to surrender power and elite status according to history. What Gorbachev did put himself and his family at great personal risk.


13 posted on 08/31/2022 7:59:51 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: dfwgator

It isn’t and neither are we. Democracy is mob rule.


14 posted on 08/31/2022 8:01:14 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Gorbachev was to the end a committed communist who was certain that communism would triumph and lead the world to a golden age.

He was, though, a politician and not an ideologue. A politician recognizes you have to make compromises to get to your goal. He saw the Soviet Union as needing change in order to ultimately triumph.

I am tempted to sneer at his departure from this planet, but I remember that I too shall shortly face my Creator and Judge. I want forgiveness and mercy for me, so I dare not mock him. All men are small before God, and desperately unclean. I understand the “RIP” thing now more than ever.
Rest in Peace Mikhail Gorbachev.... I doubt it, but I hope so anyway.


15 posted on 08/31/2022 8:02:12 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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To: volunbeer

Give him his due. He was right for the times just like Bush 41 was there when the nukes were dismantled in Eastern Europe.


16 posted on 08/31/2022 8:02:24 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Although I’m sure that people have said the same thing, my take on it is this: The 1st one to cause a rivet to pop out of the Iron Curtain was Saint JP II. After that it was all up to Margaret ‘Iron Lady’ Thatcher and Ronaldus Magnus.


17 posted on 08/31/2022 8:03:22 AM PDT by hoagy62 (DTCM&OTTH)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed. Dicktater Putin ended any pretenses of democracy when he seized power.


18 posted on 08/31/2022 8:05:46 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: kenmcg

So many American schmucks giving Gorby credit for bring down the Soviet Union, get a grip it was the one and only Ronald Reagan.


Reagan and the doctrine of Peace Through Strength conservatism. We must let history and Reagan’s principles guide us.


19 posted on 08/31/2022 8:06:38 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: tanstaafl.72555
Gorbachev was to the end a committed communist who was certain that communism would triumph and lead the world to a golden age.

Indeed! What was Putin’s main disagreement with Gorbachev? Was it Nationalism? Christianity? I admit my lack on knowledge in this area.
20 posted on 08/31/2022 8:12:07 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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