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How Ukraine is using resistance warfare developed by the US to fight back against Russia
CNN.com ^ | August 27, 2022 | Oren Liebermann

Posted on 08/28/2022 8:21:41 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

As the war in Ukraine has passed the six-month mark, US and European officials say Ukraine has successfully used a method of resistance warfare developed by US special operations forces to fight back against Russia and bog down its vastly superior military.

The Resistance Operating Concept was developed in 2013 following Russia's war with Georgia a few years earlier but its value was only realized after Russia's invasion of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula in 2014. It provides a blueprint for smaller nations to effectively resist and confront a larger neighbor that has invaded.

Russia's nearly bloodless takeover and annexation of the occupied territory stunned Ukraine and the west, intensifying a study of how to build a plan for total defense that included not only the military, but also the civilian population.

But Putin's wider war on Ukraine launched in February has been its proving ground.

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Outnumbered, outgunned, and outmanned, Ukraine has nevertheless fought back against a Russian military that thought it would romp through the vast majority of the country within a matter of weeks, if not days.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: freeandfreezing

...those camps were created and run by Germans.
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Only from a distance. The camps utilized allied personnel as guards and they also used kapos, who were themselves prisoners, to do the more onerous duties.

I grew up with survivors.


201 posted on 08/28/2022 7:11:35 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Jews fighting Jews. Dont care.


202 posted on 08/28/2022 8:08:14 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: fieldmarshaldj

203 posted on 08/28/2022 8:10:09 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: jimwatx

This notion that Ukrainians are against defending their country just makes you look even more ridiculous than you usually do. Not only does all polling and evidence on the ground show massive unity to fight the Russians, 90% expect to win the war.

So, again, you’re just shoveling a bunch of shit due to your personal problems


204 posted on 08/28/2022 8:16:05 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: reformedliberal

So you are in the same ‘camp’ with the fieldmarshal?

There is no ‘projection’. The fieldmarshal itself has said he’s there to waste people’s time rebutting it.


205 posted on 08/29/2022 4:21:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
I've been avoiding these Uke threads because they're such a sh**show of disinformation on either side, and nobody's mind is being swayed one way or another, but the title of the article begs the question:

Shouldn't we be importing Ukes as advisors to help America's resistance against the deep state?

206 posted on 08/29/2022 4:27:22 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: freeandfreezing

Having, as I wrote, read a bit about the Holocaust, I kind of know who built the camps, but thank you for pointing that out. Nonetheless, the description of the Ukrainians, men and women, who voluntarily acted as guards, is based on camp survivor’s testimony. Maybe deflect your anger at the Jewish victims who actually witnessed what you wish not to acknowledge, and direct it at those whose knowledge of history is as tenuous as yours.


207 posted on 08/29/2022 10:46:10 AM PDT by DPMD ( )
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To: PIF

I’m in the camp of not being suckered into tribal conflicts when the entire planet is being openly & malignantly manipulated by the Global Governance cartel.

I don’t know the poster in question. His ping list is convenient. I respond according to my own decisions.

I use language as judiciously as I can. I may descend to snark, on occasion, but I do try to avoid ad hominem. Sometimes I fail and that’s only on me. I post from research, personal knowledge and personal societal & historical observation. I edit and add sources where I can.

As a human, passion may inform a response, but I will usually refrain from posting if passion is all I can offer.

I see projection and I call it such. I try to rebut or amplify statements, not personalities, since this is a remote discussion forum and there’s no way to know anyone aside from the face value of the postings. I enjoy putting my thoughts into written form and I appreciate informed and well-considered posts, especially by those with both knowledge and the ability to articulate it. I’m here for discussion, not vitriol.

I know there is a huge admitted & concerted attempt on the part of WEF, Rockefeller, UN, DNC to field influencers and disruptors to all forums with the openly acknowledged goal of discouraging any critique of self-described *official authority*. I know there is also a contagion effect that multiplies such disruptions, for which I try to make allowances.

I am about making that coordinated attempt at disruption and division well-known so that everyone, including those loathe to speak out, can judge postings in that light.

Humanity and this planet are in a world of hurt. I have no time/patience for flame wars or *taking sides* when, for all I know, the posting I respond to is scripted, algorithmic, a psyop, or someone’s undigested dinner. I am conscious of the lurkers and speak as much or more to them than to the specific post.

I am organically contrarian. I have lived a long time and try to not be drawn into either unthinking, unqualified support or hatred for public figures. My major test of global events is “Cui bono?”

Trust no one and carry on.


208 posted on 08/29/2022 11:12:47 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: reformedliberal

I just look at it that it’s no longer anything but disruptive garbage sparking flamewars. It wouldn’t be tolerated if a bunch of Demonrats came on FR and pimped their candidates (tolerated at least beyond a single troll, a la MurryMom of long ago, just to poke fun at), so why is this ?

I mean, we do disseminate propaganda here, but we don’t tolerate the propagandists themselves, so that’s the difference.


209 posted on 08/29/2022 11:19:06 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Sorosbot globalist warmongering crap-pushing trolls ? Yes.


210 posted on 08/29/2022 11:20:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The Sorosbot globalist warmongering crap-pushing trolls ? Yes.


211 posted on 08/29/2022 12:00:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Troof hurts, bra.


212 posted on 08/29/2022 12:15:40 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: DPMD
Nonetheless, the description of the Ukrainians, men and women, who voluntarily acted as guards, is based on camp survivor’s testimony.

Why don't you share a source for that. There were probably some, just like the French who did the same thing, or the Dutch, or the Belgians, or the many other people who went along with the Nazis, or were too afraid to fight back.

In some cases, probably due to the Russian desire to blame anybody but themselves, the Russian POWs who ended up working for the Germans were mischaracterized as Ukrainians:

"Petro Mirchuk, who himself was a political prisoner in the Auschwitz camp, relates in his memoirs that he engaged in conversation with members of an auxiliary guard detachment in the second half of 1943: "To the extent of that I could determine, it was a unit comprised of representatives of various so called "Eastern peoples"-primarily Russians, Belorussians, Caucasians and others, and least of all Ukrainians, although for some reason the unit was officially called 'Ukrainian'"

Source, see footnote 9

The SS needed interpreters, just like our army did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unlike our army the Germans recruited collaborators from their POWs, many of whom were from the Red Army who were fighting against them earlier.

A lot of terrible things happened in WW2. Trying to blame the people in Ukraine now for what happened then is about as reasonable as blaming French, German, or Japanese college students for WW2.

213 posted on 08/29/2022 1:12:04 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: fieldmarshaldj
but we don’t tolerate the propagandists themselves

So says the lead Russian propagandist.

214 posted on 08/29/2022 1:14:08 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

I want us to stay out of a civil war that is none of our business. Still waiting for ONE of you keyboard kommando cowards to go to Ukraine to fight, since it’s so deeply personal to you. But your 400-lb ass can’t put down the Twinkies and ho-hos and leave your mama’s basement.


215 posted on 08/29/2022 1:58:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You say that the most important thing for you is the illegal immigration at our southern border. So why aren't you doing anything about it?

Arizona Border Recon is always looking for qualified volunteers. And you can donate money to them if you want. They probably even take rubles.

It is fun to see how you can't answer simple questions, and have to rely on insults you gathered from other web sites. That gets you a D- in the propaganda posting classes.

216 posted on 08/29/2022 3:07:28 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Why aren’t you doing something about it ? You and your Soros trollbots won’t go to Ukraine to fight, the cowards that every last one of you is. When are you going to Arizona to stop the illegals, then ?


217 posted on 08/29/2022 3:24:52 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: freeandfreezing

“A Train Near Magdeburg,” Matthew Rozell is one very reliable source. Read it if you dare. You seem to be bordering on something akin to Holocaust denial.


218 posted on 08/30/2022 11:23:48 AM PDT by DPMD ( )
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To: freeandfreezing

2nd reply: Consider the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ukraine-holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250116253/inthemidstofcivilizedeurope (describes how far back in history does Ukrainian murders of Jews go)

Good Lord, son, get a grip and open your eyes.


219 posted on 08/30/2022 11:31:31 AM PDT by DPMD ( )
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To: DPMD
You seem to be bordering on something akin to Holocaust denial.

Nothing of the sort. But I am able to discern how modern propagandists try to blame the current, living Ukrainians for things that happened in the Second World War. Not surprisingly the same people who are now blaming 20 year old kids in Ukraine for what happened in the 1940s are not blaming the kids in Japan, Germany, France, or Italy for what people from those countries did 80 years ago.

If modern Ukrainians are responsible for what happened in the 1940s then so are modern Germans, Japanese, French, and Italians. Are you condemning them also?

It is also important to understand that millions of Ukrainians were killed by Communist Russians along with the many Ukrainian Jews killed by the Germans. Ukrainian President Zelensky's own great grandparents and other relatives were murdered by the Nazis.

So why are you so focused on what happened in Ukraine, but don't seem to have the same concern for the Germans who caused the Holocaust, of the French government that rounded up Jews in France?

220 posted on 08/30/2022 12:41:58 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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