Posted on 08/24/2022 6:44:29 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
The only thing I have posted about Soros is your lie about his ownership of Pfizer stock. He sold it all in 2017 and I gave you the link to verify. Liar, liar, liar, and too stupid to set pants on fire.
You post his propaganda, you post and support his agenda, you support him. You stop posting lies, lady.
I don’t think Russia of 2022 is anything like 1920’s/30’s Weimar. Dugin sounds a bit closer to an Alex Jones type than an actual statesman/politician.
I don’t think Dugin considers himself a statesman/politician. I think he sees himself as a historian and philosopher, and an influencer of politicians, especially Putin. By historical analogy was Rasputin a statesman or politician? If you haven’t read any of his writings, it is important to do so to understand how Putin follows or agrees with his thought, and how he is different.
MY POINT: Both Minsk Agreements WERE SIGNED BUT FAILED! Minsk I and II which became impotent attempts when Russia [PUTIN], Donetsk and Luhansk FAILED to implement agreements.
It is also beyond doubt that Ukraine FAILED. Ukraine agreed to a text that did not mention Russia.
https://www.voanews.com/a/separatists-down-ukrainian-military-helicopter/1944026.html
Pro-Russian separatists have shot down a Ukrainian military helicopter, just a day after the rebels announced a week-long truce in eastern Ukraine matching the cease-fire declared by the country's president.A Ukrainian military spokesman, Vladislav Seleznyov, said the helicopter was brought down near the eastern Ukrainian city of Slovyansk by rebels using a portable anti-aircraft missile launcher, and that, according to preliminary information, all nine servicemen aboard were killed.
This is nothing more than a press release. Nine unnamed servicemen allegedly died from an attack by unidentified separatist fighters of unknown affiliation. Nine troops missed muster and they didn't know who they were? How did they determine they were pro-Russian? Perhaps they were just anti-Ukranian. How did they know it was a group of Pro-Russians? It only takes one to fire a portable hand-held missile launcher. Or they could have just made the whole story up, like the Tonkin Gulf incident or WMD in Iraq.
Ukraine did not come with clean hands. They agreed to the Lisbon accords in 1992 to get rid of nukes and accede to the NPT as a non-nuclear state. They then tried to condition their application to the NPT to get rid of just some of the nukes. Only when their application was flatly rejected from consideration did they get around to actually agreeing to get rid of nukes, but that was in 1994. They had a history of signing agreements they later showed no intention of keeping.
Minsk I (2014) provided:
3- Decentralisation of power, including through the adoption of the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".
Minsk II (2015) provided (excerpts):
Immediately, no later than in 30 days since the date of the signing of the given document, to adopt a Verkhovna Rada [Ukrainian parliament] resolution to specify the territory to which the special regime applies in accordance with the law of Ukraine "On the special procedure of local self-governance in some districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions" on the basis of the line set by the Minsk memorandum of 19 September 2014.9. Restoration of full control over the state border in the whole zone of the conflict on the part of the Ukrainian government, which should begin on the first day after local elections and finish after an all-inclusive political settlement (local elections in separate districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions on the basis of Ukraine's law, and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, providing the implementation of clause 11 - in consultations and with the agreement of representatives of separate districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group.
11. Realization of constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution to enter into force by the end of 2015, and assuming as a key element the decentralization (taking into account the peculiarities of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as agreed with representatives of these districts), and the enactment of permanent legislation on the special status of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in the footnotes, until the end of 2015 (see footnotes)
12. Issues related to local elections shall be discussed and agreed with representatives of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group on the basis of the Ukrainian law "On the temporary procedure for local self-government in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions". Elections shall be held in compliance with the relevant OSCE standards and monitored by the OSCE ODIHR [Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights].
Footnotes:
Such measures in accordance with the law "On the special procedure of local self-governance in some districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions" include the following:
- Freedom from punishment, persecution and discrimination for individuals connected to the events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;
- Right to self-determination of language;
Note: The UN Security Council, Resolution 2202 (2015), Adopted by the UN Security Council at its 7384th meeting, on 17 February 2015, states in relevant part, "1. Endorses the "Package of measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements", adopted and signed in Minsk on 12 February 2015 (Annex I)"
Note carefully that Ukraine did not have full control of its borders before or after the Minsk agreements, nor at any time up to the present.
The government had no support for the agreement it signed and never had any intention to implement it.
Had Poroshenko implemented the terms of the agreement, as signed, he likely would have been hanged from a lamp post. The agent authorized by the government to bind it, signed the agreement. To say the Ukraine government was highly motivated to not implement the agreement is an understatement. On the other hand, Russia was more than happy to see it implemented. Ukraine explicitly agreed to make DPR and LPR autonomous.
If they want to keep fighting, they can go ahead. With Russia having joined the DPR and LPR in a defense alliance, Ukraine has no chance. In the entire world, no nation has volunteered to come to the aid of Ukraine with boots on the ground. Ukraine and its army is simply getting destroyed.
The MIC is doing great. They have liberated tens of billions of taxpayer dollars.
Dude, there is video of Ukrainian border checkpoints under attack from Russia in 2014. You’re just breezily adopting every Kremlin position there is. That’s ok. We get it. You hate Ukraine. You’re with fine with Putin shoving every last Ukrainian into ovens. Unsurprisingly, Ukraine and its friends are not ok with that.
“Note carefully that Ukraine did not have full control of its borders before or after the Minsk agreements, nor at any time up to the present.
The government had no support for the agreement it signed and never had any intention to implement it.
If they want to keep fighting, they can go ahead. With Russia having joined the DPR and LPR in a defense alliance, Ukraine has no chance. In the entire world, no nation has volunteered to come to the aid of Ukraine with boots on the ground. Ukraine and its army is simply getting destroyed.”
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My understanding:
Putin’s use the pattern of “Transnistrian”: creating controls zones. Before Ukraine he created ‘frozen conflicts’ in Moldova (Transnistria region), Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia) as well as in Ukraine annexing Crimean peninsula and the Donbas. [This wider pattern using separatist conflicts to create corruption and criminality as ‘Trojan horses’ to block progress in reform-minded periphery countries.]
This is why I consider PUTIN an international evil thug.
PUTIN HAS NO INTENTION OF HONORING ANY INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT HE SIGNS.
The LIL’ EMPEROR PUTIN’S tactics are part of a geopolitical strategy creating conflict zones to prevent countries from entering NATO and integrating into the European Union. Conflicts in post-Soviet countries are inflicted, fueled and kept frozen by Russia as part of PUTIN’S imperialistic plan to regain strategic points of HIS ‘lost empire.’
-The Minsk-2 deal was a second attempt to force Ukraine to accept PUTIN’s “Transnistria” for the Donbas, a “peace enforcement” to push both occupied regions BACK into Ukraine as Russian-run enclaves to expand Russia’s control over the internal and external affairs of Ukraine.
Obviously, granting ‘restoration control’ to the Ukrainian government and pulling out “all foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries” from the territory of Ukraine were BASICALLY IMPRACTICAL for Putin.
If Putin withdraws its troops from any occupied territory, these territories would disappear to then later become a Russian another “geopolitical project”. But, of course, Dmitry Peskov denied Russia was preparing to annex territories in Donetsk and Luhansk.
-The Minsk-2 deal was a second attempt to force Ukraine to accept PUTIN’s “Transnistria” for the Donbas, a “peace enforcement” to push both occupied regions BACK into Ukraine as Russian-run enclaves to expand Russia’s control over the internal and external affairs of Ukraine.
Ukraine didn't have to sign it. It was voluntary and they volunteered and obligated themselves. It was submitted to the UN Security Council who officially endorsed the action. No doubt Russia was trying to get the best deal it could. The same could be said for every participant. However bad the deal may have been, the Ukraine representative accepted it on behalf of Ukraine to obtain the ceasefire.
Just as Russia has no legal right to say no NATO in Ukraine, the United States has no legal right for the Monroe Doctrine, yet here we are, no European military bases in North or South America.
DPR snd LPR had proclaimed their independence. Russia had not recognized them as independent nation states. Russia was willing to accept that they were part of Ukraine if they were made semi-autonomous. That seems better for Ukraine than the current alternative they are negotiating on the battlefield.
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