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Facts don’t support Western spin on Dugin bombing
Asia Times ^

Posted on 08/23/2022 4:36:58 AM PDT by FarCenter

Western media is spinning the August 20 car bombing of Darya Dugina, the daughter of “Eurasionist” ideologue Aleksandr Dugin, as an attack on Vladimir Putin’s “spiritual guide” (CNN) and “brain” (Foreign Affairs) – implicitly a violent blow against the Putin regime.

That fits the longstanding and long-discredited view promoted by Western chancelleries that the Russian president won’t survive the Ukraine war due to growing domestic opposition.

This self-serving reading of the murder—repeatedly endlessly in the English-language media– doesn’t square with the known facts or best-practice inference. Although information remains fragmentary, what we do know makes clear that the origin and intent of the Dugina assassination must be sought elsewhere.

What we know, or can infer with a high degree of certainty, is the following:

1. Aleksandr Dugin is not a Putin ally, but a strident critic of Putin’s stance toward the West.

2. Dugin himself was the target of the assassination, not his daughter; the young woman had the misfortune to drive her father’s car after a speaking event in Moscow while her father rode in a different vehicle.

3. The bombing was amateurish, the work of either terror cells or ordinary criminals, according to sources with knowledge of the thinking of Russian security services. The Russian state knows how to eliminate undesirables, and they do so in more efficient ways—and do not miss. “If Putin wanted to kill Dugin, it would have been done differently, and for sure.”

4. It is unlikely in the extreme that the Ukraine government carried out the bombing, as spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry speculated.

Eliminate the impossible, as Sherlock Holmes said, and what remains, however improbable, must be true. Russian opponents of Putin—such as they are—had no reason to kill a messianic ideologue who had become an annoyance to the Russian leader.

(Excerpt) Read more at asiatimes.com ...


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To: tlozo

—”he admits that the site self-censors Chinese-language pieces published in China in order to keep a foothold there.”

Name some ‘news sites’ that do NOT self-censor?


21 posted on 08/23/2022 9:43:57 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Name some ‘news sites’ that do NOT self-censor?

I can name a lot of 'news sites' that do not self-censor because of fear of the Chinese Communist government. Once again, its Chinese Commie controlled, which is no surprise since it is based in Hong Kong.

22 posted on 08/23/2022 10:01:13 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

This is not a Chinese language piece published in China. Goldman also has articles on sites such as PJ Media, American Greatness, Tablet Magazine, The Claremont Review, etc.


23 posted on 08/23/2022 10:06:52 AM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Good point...”All news sites self censor.”

Daniel Goldman is an excellent writer and analyst.

And as for that, until recently the major enemy of post-Communist Russia was not the US...but China.

It still is, but China is weakening. I think its self-inflicted weakness (total shutdowns and major repression for “Covid”) is going to have a bad effect and while it may make the leaders feel more powerful, it’s destroying their economy.

Apple just moved its production to Vietnam.


24 posted on 08/23/2022 11:13:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: CatHerd

I think Twitter is a lot to blame. People there say the most outrageous things, just as one-offs.

But actually, our whole environment is to blame. Everybody seems to be very crazy right now and have totally lost any civility. The leftist motto used to be “the personal is the political,” and it apparently still is their motto...I have seen people attacked for even the mildest statements.

I think this extreme anger is because of the Fauci/Birx Chinese shutdowns, which totally destroyed community and even family life and kept people away from each other for at least two years (depending on your State).

As for Russia...my son was in Naval Aviation at the time that the USSR was collapsing and he said the main aggressive activity of the surveillance flights was for them to moon each other over Alaska.

No visuals, please.


25 posted on 08/23/2022 11:23:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: FarCenter
Eliminate the impossible, as Sherlock Holmes said, and what remains, however improbable, must be true.

That is false logic. There are an large number of possible outcomes. It is impossible to eliminate most of them.

It also fails to take into account human error, malevolence, false flags, and numerous other possibilities.

26 posted on 08/23/2022 12:25:01 PM PDT by marktwain
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27 posted on 08/23/2022 6:26:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: livius

Yes, the lockdowns did huge damage in a number of ways and we are still suffering the fallout. I think you made a wise observation about the how and why they also made many people crazy and mean and even crazy mean.

Love the the Moon Over Alaska story! Rofl!

When I was there during the Yeltsin years, the Russian people so yearned to join the West, but alas it wasn’t to be. Of course Russia was too big and too nuclear to be allowed into NATO, and too big at be allowed into the EU (The German Empire By Other Means).

At the time I thought Clinton was making a huge mistake by kicking Russia like a beaten dog, while investing in and building up China. It was time to switch gears and be friendlier toward Russia and dial down the kissyface with China. I still think so. But what’s done is done and here we are.


28 posted on 08/23/2022 9:49:48 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: pepsionice

Sorry I somehow missed your post earlier, as you made some astute observations. The only point where I differ is Dugin being in Putin’s inner circle. It looks to me like Putin finds uses for him, but does not trust him and is not especially close to him.


29 posted on 08/23/2022 9:59:51 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd; PIF; UMCRevMom@aol.com; marcusmaximus; ought-six; dennisw; familyop; libh8er; ...

I have been wondering what all the vicious murders of Russian oligarchs this year have been about and by whom. The fact that 6 wives and children were brutally murdered with knife and axe, while the husbands committed suicide was especially odd as was the fact that one was killed near Barcelona, and another in England. Any thoughts on that?


30 posted on 08/23/2022 10:53:20 PM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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To: CatHerd; All

Our covert agencies or operatives were apparently aware of or believing that Putin became leader in the late 1990s as a result of several apartment bombings which killed more than 300 people. This was used a sign of terrorism, and the need for a strong ruler, and subsequently war against Chechnia. Perhaps Clinton knew all about these conjectures and believed them. Also he had spent some time in Russia, and no doubt had opinions based on those experiences. I still have old newspapers of the Yeltson activities, I must take a look at them again.


31 posted on 08/23/2022 10:59:18 PM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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To: FarCenter

Asia times is published in HK, which is now controlled by the CCP.

It’s a CCP mouthpiece now.


32 posted on 08/23/2022 11:02:11 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

Please read through this thread for related comments, including those that don’t agree with you.


33 posted on 08/24/2022 4:54:49 AM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: gleeaikin

The rumors about the apartment buildings started immediately among Russian people. Of course our agencies were aware of first the rumors, the later investigations, and reports in the Russian media.

Bill Clinton had nearly all of his two terms before Putin came to power to take a different approach to Russia. Yes, Yeltsin was a sick old man and hopeless alcoholic and had become unpopular in Russia toward the end of his time in office. The Russian people were already looking for a strong leader before the apartment building bombings, especially after our proving ourselves to be a not-so-Benign Hegemon. Kosovo was the last straw.

Back to the apartment buildings, it’s likely Berezovsky was primarily responsible, but also likely Putin had to be involved. But it was not merely the bombings that brought Putin to power. It was a constellation of factors, including the heartbreaking poverty and mafia running amok and roughshod over ordinary people.

https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible


34 posted on 08/24/2022 5:52:35 AM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: FarCenter

if it was that amateurish , then this smells like MI6


35 posted on 08/24/2022 10:36:55 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: gleeaikin

Sounds like Russian Mafia vendettas.


36 posted on 08/24/2022 4:44:23 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: CatHerd; All

I had read the novel Gorki Park around that time, and Chechen mafia influence in Moscow was part of the plot line of this interesting detective mystery.


37 posted on 08/24/2022 10:32:30 PM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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To: gleeaikin

Yes, there were powerful mafia groups of various stripes going way back long before the USSR fell. The way people survived under communism was through the black market shadow economy. Of course this did not disappear when communism ended and the economy was in shambles. The poverty in Russia during the 1990s was truly heartbreaking. And the mafia cruel. Little old grannies trying to survive by selling a few onions they’d managed to grow were roughly tossed out of markets by mafia goons. I saw it with my own eyes.


38 posted on 08/25/2022 3:13:59 AM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd; MalPearce; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Monterrosa-24; All

What has happened to the Russian people over the centuries is especially tragic compared with western Europe. Alas, it is still happening, and I have little hope for decent leadership given this history.


39 posted on 08/25/2022 9:12:41 AM PDT by gleeaikin (pQuestion authority)
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