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Ukraine is Losing the War, and So is Europe
Ron Paul Institute ^ | 7/27/22 | Ron Paul

Posted on 08/15/2022 6:22:15 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: tlozo

“If Poland was going to take Ukraine territory they wouldn’t send so much of their own weaponry to Ukraine. Poland has donated more than 240 tanks to Ukraine.”

If you were paying attention, you’d know that Poland doesn’t need weapons to take their slice of Ukraine, considering what was signed into law last month by Ukraine.


61 posted on 08/15/2022 7:10:02 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: JonPreston

Agree that this war is loser for the russians.

but its also a loser for the west.

the only winner in this game is china.

china will get more control over russia while the west’s material wealth to maintain high cost militaries declines.


62 posted on 08/15/2022 7:11:16 AM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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To: marktwain

The war would never have happened if President Trump had remained in office.

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I believe that as well. Strong leadership and statesmanship could have avoided this colossal mess.

But the Deep State is happy.


63 posted on 08/15/2022 7:12:19 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: JonPreston

Don’t tell that to the RAT “media”. They’re already losing their minds over the “Assault on Mar-A-Lago” backfire.


64 posted on 08/15/2022 7:12:37 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The House is supposed to represent the people, not the friggin' Federal government. )
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To: BobL

“You guys rejected it.”

I certainly didn’t reject anything, nor was I asked.

Ukraine may have expressed interest in joining NATO but that was going nowhere fast.

Of all of the smoke and mirrors surrounding the war that much is incontrovertible.


65 posted on 08/15/2022 7:12:50 AM PDT by jdsteel (Do I really need a /sarc?)
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To: marktwain

The Biden Family are big winners.


66 posted on 08/15/2022 7:13:31 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The House is supposed to represent the people, not the friggin' Federal government. )
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To: tlozo

Lets be clear, NATO started this war.


67 posted on 08/15/2022 7:13:32 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: blackberry1
Lets be clear, NATO started this war.

Sure, NATO invaded...

68 posted on 08/15/2022 7:14:16 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Starboard

“I believe that as well.”

Agree with that, because Trump would have at least picked up the phone when Putin called and explained to him what was going on in Ukraine and likely would have stopped the Neocons.

...but never a prayer with the bunch we have now.


69 posted on 08/15/2022 7:14:17 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: tlozo

Naah, he doesn’t have to surrender. Just honor the Minsk agreement — something he was gonna do until BeijingBiden offered a wad of cash (minus his cut). Why? So BB could continue to launder money, have UK continue employment of loser Dems’ kids (Kerry, Biden, etc), and continue supply of sex slaves.

That this is also killing the EU’s energy supply is a side benefit. By design, but beside the point of the Pedo installed in the WHouse.


70 posted on 08/15/2022 7:14:21 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: jdsteel

“Ukraine may have expressed interest in joining NATO...”

At least you admit that much. No go check on what NATO was doing with Ukraine prior to Feb 24th.


71 posted on 08/15/2022 7:15:46 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: tlozo

Who started the war?

Russia


You are just counting from the point the western media got involved. The reality is that the war has been going on for a decade. And our CIA and Russia were both there in the beginning. America tried to break Ukraine away from Russia but they were not nationalistic like other regions. And they had many embedded Russians and Russian facilities that Putin would not give up.


72 posted on 08/15/2022 7:16:01 AM PDT by poinq
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To: tlozo
You're ridiculous, Putin invaded Russia. Period.

When Ukraine's Right Sektor achieved power in 2014 after the Maidan coup - the FIRST thing they did was go to a hot war in the Donbas.

What's ridiculous is people relying on stupid, simplistic MSM slogans for their understanding of complex events.

73 posted on 08/15/2022 7:18:16 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BobL

...but never a prayer with the bunch we have now.

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They have already done incalculable and lasting damage to this once great country. And they’re far from done.


74 posted on 08/15/2022 7:18:32 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: bobbo666
Naah, he doesn’t have to surrender. Just honor the Minsk agreement

Minsk agreement was a poison pill meant to end Ukrainian independence.

In a June 2021 interview, Vladislav Surkov, Putin's aide for Ukraine policy from 2013 to 2020, who was removed from his role in February 2020, said that Ukraine "can be reformed as a confederation, with a lot of freedom for the regions to decide things by themselves". He said the country would be severed by the "geopolitical gravity" between Russia and the West, describing the Minsk agreements as an act that "legitimized the first division of Ukraine" in a "reconquest", "the first open geopolitical counter-attack by Russia [against the West]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements#Minsk_II,_February_2015

75 posted on 08/15/2022 7:21:56 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: poinq
The reality is that the war has been going on for a decade.

War has been going on since Putin's little green men took Crimea and then fomented war in Donbas and Luhansk.

This unrest, however, only evolved into an armed conflict because of Russian military backing for what had been a marginal group as part of the Russo-Ukrainian War. The conflict was thus, in the words of historian Hiroaki Kuromiya, "secretly engineered and cleverly camouflaged by outsiders".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

76 posted on 08/15/2022 7:26:09 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

“Minsk agreement was a poison pill meant to end Ukrainian independence.”

Oh well, too late now. Ukraine is gone, should have swallowed the pill to see what would happen...


77 posted on 08/15/2022 7:29:13 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: JonPreston

The author of this article is Oscar Silva-Valladares, not Ron Paul. Try to get it right next time, Jon. It reads like standard Kremlin propaganda to me. It says that Ukraine and Europe are losing, but gives no evidence to support the argument.


78 posted on 08/15/2022 7:29:59 AM PDT by devere
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To: tlozo

“War has been going on since Putin’s little green men took Crimea and then fomented war in Donbas and Luhansk.”

I agree that made sense to make those silly claims in the first month or so of the war, but you guys are no longer fooling anyone here. You probably would do better on Twitter and Facebook.


79 posted on 08/15/2022 7:31:52 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: devere

“It says that Ukraine and Europe are losing, but gives no evidence to support the argument.”

You can’t be serious.


80 posted on 08/15/2022 7:34:32 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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