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To: Monterrosa-24
Thousands of the REAL Donbas Russian speakers are fighting against the Russian criminal invaders.

MILLIONS of real Donbas Ukrainians support liberation and independence from the regime in Kiev, are willing to fight for for that freedom, and with the help of the Russian Federation are succeeding. Hard to believe someone who claims to be a Southerner has difficulty with the concept of self determination.

There is no independent republic.

Bull@#$%...Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik were elected as leaders by the people of their respective oblasts and are recognized as such by the Russian Federation among others.

-btw this process will soon be repeated in Kherson and Zaparohzia oblasts, then Kharkiv and Odessa.

Rump Ukraine with its Nazis and corrupt oligarchs will have to learn how to live in peace with its Russian/Ukrainian neighbors, although I'm pretty sure the western Nazis may also want to break away with the help of Poland and others.

NovoRossiya is being forged in the fires civil war and there isn't squat you can do about it.


67 posted on 08/12/2022 6:27:46 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck

You get all your “information” from Moscow sources. I get my information from people in the Donbas. You are a filthy pro-invader Bolshevik with no knowledge of the Donbas. Stinking communists like you and are destroying homes and lives in Ukraine and literally flying the Hammer and Sickle flag. Yes, those “referendums” are even recognized by North Korea. You are proud of that North Korean recognition aren’t you? Death to the invaders. Glory to Ukraine.


68 posted on 08/12/2022 7:10:54 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: mac_truck

That garbage you just posted is about as laughably untrue as that old pony coming out of Steven Seagal’s gob on Russian telly.

Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik held a free and fair referendum? LOL!

Pasechnik’s family were involved in the gold trade in Magadan Oblast, Russia. He’s a member of the Russian ruling party United Russia. Dmitry Medvedev personally handed Pasechnik his party ticket in Moscow. He’s straight up funded by the party in Moscow and is a member of the party in Moscow. Five years ago, Plotnitsky made it pretty clear who did the appointing, and even added that the LPR was “returning to its home – Russia, the Russian world”. There’s Kompromat on that dude. He ain’t an independent actor.

As for Kherson and Zaparohzia oblasts and MORE fake referenda....

1/ Most of the people in both oblasts who have a legitimate right to vote in those areas have been driven out of the area by the conflict.

2/ Most of the NEWCOMERS in both oblasts have been bussed in by the Russians, purely to fake up the numbers.

3/ According to Ukraine’s Constitution, and every related international agreement from 1990 to 2022, Ukraine is a unitary republic, not a federal state. If any Oblast wants greater autonomy like Crimea already had, OR if it wants to secede from Ukraine, it has to do so within the confines of adherence to the principles of the CIS establishment articles, the Budapest Memorandum, and the Ukrainian Constitution.

To wit: a referendum has to allow ALL citizens from that oblast to vote. Not just the new ones bussed in for the vote, and the ones who haven’t left yet.

Secondly, the referendum has to then be ratified by the rest of Ukraine. It cannot arbitrarily secede without a majority in agreement, as it would violate the territorial integrity.

Thirdly, the referendum is de-facto illegitimate if it is being sponsored by external, non-Ukrainian lobbyists. And the separatist movement is most definitely funded and sponsored from Moscow.

How about Denis lets all the ethnic Russians from Donetsk and Luhansk regions back into the region, and back to their homes, and review the wreckage, and THEN cast their votes. If he’s that confident he’d win, and he’s that confident that ethnic Russians are all on his side, he doesn’t need to be bussing in paid-up mercenary settler Russkies from Russia; he could simply let the Ukrainian Russians vote in accordance with the referendum.


73 posted on 08/13/2022 8:03:01 AM PDT by MalPearce
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