Posted on 08/04/2022 8:49:21 AM PDT by navysealdad
FReepers, if your talking points start coinciding with the commies at Amnesty International, well, you might be in bed with the wrong team on that issue...
“No doubt that both Russia and Ukraine have committed war crimes.”
Rules? In a civil war anywhere? The distinguished Civil War historian James McPherson has estimated that there were 50,000+ civilian deaths during our civil war, and has concluded that the overall mortality rate for the South exceeded that of any country in World War I and all but the region between the Rhine and the Volga in World War II. War = death...death = fear and a desire to stop the war, hopefully.
Extreme result = no war. Now we’re back to if good and evil exists and which side is which or are they both the same? And are the people making moves around them the same, also?
wy69
all nato debacles
Years of bombing in the Donbas by pro Ukraine renegade groups cancels out any war crime nonesense.
I forgot the /s tag.
“WAR violates international humanitarian law!”
Not exactly, it just sets the guidelines on how a war should be fought. The rules of war, or international humanitarian law (as it is known formally) are a set of international rules that set out what can and cannot be done during an armed conflict. The main purpose of international humanitarian law (IHL) is to maintain some humanity in armed conflicts, saving lives and reducing suffering. To do that, IHL regulates how wars are fought, balancing two aspects: weakening the enemy and limiting suffering.
Now we all know that is a crock as the intent of war is to force the other guy to give up as quickly and with less casualties as possible. But what is the number that determines when someone has had enough?
Is a citizen in a waring country responsible for the actions of their leaders? They either elected them or allowed them to stay there even if those leaders were a threat to their own people. So who’s to blame? The fool or the fools that follow?
wy69
That’s sometimes true, as in HRW in Kosovo. Not so much in Libya. HRW had an excellent team already in place there headed by a very experienced and savvy guy. Amnesty International is uneven, and it depends on the country how impartial and accurate they are.
But see my #7 and #8 on this thread.
Russia’s aggression against Ukraine
Ukraine: a devastating human rights crisis
Right now, people in Ukraine are facing a human rights crisis. People are dying, including children, and many more are at risk.
As Russia continues its war against Ukraine, Amnesty International is exposing violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, and gathering evidence from our researchers on the ground and our Crisis Evidence Lab. From the devastation of Izium to the siege of Mariupol, from shelling in Kyiv to displaced people in Lviv, we’re helping to keep the world informed about what is happening in Ukraine.
Russian President Vladimir Putin, his government and the Russian armed forces are desperate to hide the truth about the war, including the possible war crimes they are committing in Ukraine. This page will feature Amnesty International’s regular updates on the conflict, which help to uncover the human rights crises caused by Russia’s invasion. Click on the links below to access our briefings and investigations into the human rights issues surrounding the conflict.
A massive humanitarian crisis
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is an act of aggression that has unleashed the gravest human rights and refugee crisis in Europe since World War Two. Amnesty International is documenting serious violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, including the unlawful killing and injury of civilians, destruction of infrastructure, and blocking of desperately needed aid for civilians. Attacks on hospitals and schools, employing “surrender or starve” sieges on civilians, the use of banned weapons such as cluster munitions, and strikes on populated areas using inaccurate weapons may constitute war crimes.
Russia’s crackdown on protests and media Imprisonment, censorship, disinformation
The Russian authorities have unleashed an unprecedented, nationwide crackdown on independent journalism, anti-war protests and dissenting voices following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The Kremlin remains hellbent on hiding the human cost of its war and has blocked independent news sites and social media. Meanwhile, anyone caught spreading what it regards as “fake news” about the conflict faces a prison sentence of up to 15 years.
Coupled with a campaign of disinformation, the media blackout seeks to entirely deprive the Russian people of access to objective, trustworthy information about the conflict. As repression mounts, at least 150 critical journalists have fled the country so far. Yet despite the risks, Russia’s anti-war movement continues to fill the streets with rallies — even though more than 15,000 protesters have been arbitrarily detained since the start of the invasion.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/latest-news-on-russias-war-on-ukraine/
Because of a war Putin's little green men started.
Many on FR who support Ukraine feel that Ukraine is fully justified in this approach and all of this is Russia’s fault.
Amnesty does not agree.
Ukraine is systematically using their civilian population as shields and cannon fodder.
“”We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” Amnesty International Secretary General Agnès Callamard said in a statement. “Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.”
And Russia will eventually try, and hang, many of them for war crimes.
You do realize that the one thing proven by Ukrainians once and for all is that they are not and do not want to be 'Little Russians'.
Russia can end this war and go home anytime they want to.
That can’t be true. According to the Biden Brigade the Ukrainians are more pure that Jesus Christ. and more honest than Almighty God. The Russians, on the other hand are to blame for the fall of Adam. The Flood. God raining fire and brimstone on Soddom and Gomere. The spread of AIDS. Custer’s Last Stand. WW1. WW2. The Great Depression. Ingrowing toenails. Baldness. Colorblindness. Divorce. To name a few.
That’s a ridiculous statement. Why do you think job number one was to SECURE those facilities along with the US/Ukrainian bio labs? You’ve eaten all the disinfo courses placed before you.
Take your boring Russian disinfo & politics and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Good post.
International humanitarian law and human rights/humanitarian monitoring doesn’t make much difference either way in an existential war, other than a few things like the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of POWs when both sides are interested in swapping prisoners.
It could theoritically make a difference if there are potential consequences, such as sanctions or war crimes tribunals set up, or a relationship with country that is backing them might be damaged. In former Yugoslavia, the Bosnian Muslims and Croats could pretty much commit war crimes with impunity with little fear of consequences, as they were our favored darlings — although some of the most egregious offenders did end up convicted at The Hague in a show of bring at least somewhat fair. But Hillary got the Croat generals released from the pokey after serving only two years, though. It was mainly a Kanga Court.
The “rebels” in Libya committed horrific war crimes without consequence, as did the KLA in Kosovo. They all got off Scott free. Some were even rewarded.
It can make some difference if one or more warring parties (and/or the Great Powers backing them, if applicable) care about what the media reports, too, but usually war propaganda prevails and there are only rarely impartial reports even in the international press.
If carried out accurately, impartially and thoroughly, human rights reporting helps with writing a more accurate history in some future time when historians can afford to be more impartial, I suppose.
All in all, international humanitarian and human rights laws and conventions do make some positive differences, but in general war is he!!. It’s the nature of war. Also see my #8.
I like that. You run out BS disinfo to regurgitate and run up the white flag. Get back to me when your media masters toss another shovel full into your trough.
It that the drivel your FSB masters teach you, or did you come up with that on you very own?
Apparently they want neither of those things.
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