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The counteroffensive in Kherson will look a lot like the Pacific Campaign of World War II
Malcontent News ^ | July 28, 2022 | David Obelcz

Posted on 07/30/2022 6:48:18 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin

If you’re expecting massive tank battles fought across a wide front, prepare to be disappointed.

Ukrainian government and military leaders have acknowledged that a counteroffensive in the Kherson oblast has started, and evidence is mounting that the operation is gaining momentum. The dictionary defines counteroffensive as “an attack made in response to one from an enemy, typically on a large scale and for a prolonged period.”

For many, the word counteroffensive conjures up images from World War II and the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes or the Red Army’s response to Germany’s Operation Bagration near Minsk. Prepare to be disappointed for those expecting massive formations of troops and tanks rushing across the steppe supported by ferocious artillery barrages. The Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson will more closely resemble the United States World War II island hopping campaign in the Pacific than the plains of Eastern Europe or the deserts of Iraq during the first Gulf War.

Beyond Kherson city, most of the oblast west of the Dnipro River is sparsely populated. Small villages dot wheat fields across a flat landscape similar to rural Kansas or Nebraska in the United States. Settlements are spread out as much as 10 to 12 kilometers apart with almost no natural defenses or obstacles. Tree-lined dirt roads offer some cover, but the routes are obvious and easily observed. This area is tank country, and the terrain had Cold War strategic planners at the Pentagon and the Kremlin fretting during the last century. However, both belligerents have a problem.

Neither Russia nor Ukraine have many tanks to spare in a broad advance across the region. Ukrainian forces are reportedly training tank brigades for a future initiative and continue to have limited resources...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; badlywritten; chockfulloferrors; clownworld; ihazthedumbz; intotheguns; kherson; maximumclownworld; offensive; opensteppeattack; protectcaymanaccount; therussianshavearmor; tothelastukrainian; ukiecannonfodder; ukraine; ukrainicorns; ukriane; war
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This sounds about right.
1 posted on 07/30/2022 6:48:18 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin
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To: Zhang Fei; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68

Ukraine ping!


2 posted on 07/30/2022 6:49:27 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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Ukrainian HIMARS strike on Russian arms depots and HQs last night in Nova Kakhovka in Kherson region (left bank of Dniper river).


3 posted on 07/30/2022 6:55:22 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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4 posted on 07/30/2022 6:58:00 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: All

This counter-offensive is the most talked about and least executed military maneuver in maybe all of mankind’s history.

This is the first war in the history of the world during which both sides had excellent satellite recon. There is no surprise. And massing troops just makes them a target.

Satellite recon and land mines are determining everything.


5 posted on 07/30/2022 7:18:07 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Dr. Franklin

Logistics has always been the Achille’s heel of the Russian army. Long range artillery that has destroyed ammunition depots and bridges has made resupply of tired, hungry, demoralized Russian soldiers difficult. Helicopter resupply is inefficient, dangerous and will cost the Russians dearly in aircraft and casualties.


6 posted on 07/30/2022 7:20:25 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Dr. Franklin

This is a war of attrition.


7 posted on 07/30/2022 7:30:15 AM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Interesting theory and worthwhile reading. One key difference is that Russia has access to a vast population compared to Ukraine. There are indications Russia is gearing up military production and sees this as a long term struggle not only for Ukraine but other countries as well.

Ukraine depends on other countries providing weapons but how long will those countries continue to do so depleting their own weapon stocks and without payment? How long will Europeans be willing to suffer in the cold, with diminished food supply, and no hot water before the populace turns against the war? How long will the US?

Ukraine needs to make considerable progress in the next three months on the ground to keep support at current levels. Russia knows this as well.


8 posted on 07/30/2022 7:34:12 AM PDT by georgiarat (We must be free not because we claim freedom, but because we practice it. William Faulkner )
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“The counteroffensive in Kherson will look a lot like the Pacific Campaign of World War II”

OK, that’s funny and wrong.


9 posted on 07/30/2022 7:39:22 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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“The counteroffensive in Kherson will look a lot like the Pacific Campaign of World War II” OK, that’s funny and wrong.

Yeah, not many amphibious assaults, I'll bet.
10 posted on 07/30/2022 7:50:35 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: georgiarat
Ukraine depends on other countries providing weapons but how long will those countries continue to do so depleting their own weapon stocks and without payment? How long will Europeans be willing to suffer in the cold, with diminished food supply, and no hot water before the populace turns against the war? How long will the US?

The Baltics and Poland, in particular, see supporting Ukraine as a desirable way to weaken Russia. They are also working to undermine Lukashenko's pro-Russian regime as well. As long as Ukraine is at least holding its own, they will continue to support Ukraine. Russia historically doesn't do well in long wars without significant foreign allies and support. Europe can always go back to coal power. They simply choose to buy Russian natural gas to make the Greens happy.

Ukraine needs to make considerable progress in the next three months on the ground to keep support at current levels. Russia knows this as well.

I disagree. Ukraine need only push Russia out of the West bank of the Dnieper, while holding Russia in check elsewhere to remain viable in this war. The longer the war continues, the more unrest and discontent for the Putin Regime in Russia. The war isn't popular there and the more soldiers that come home in body bags the less popular it will be. Ukraine, on the other hand, is fighting for its territory and independence.
11 posted on 07/30/2022 7:53:00 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: SaxxonWoods

I, too, LOL.


12 posted on 07/30/2022 7:55:21 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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This is a proxy war (poorly planned & executed by all parties). It is only a matter of time before Russia has US military ‘advisers’ in captivity as bargaining chips, and then ‘escalation’ will top search terms.

Between what this administration is doing in Ukraine & Taiwan, people ought to ensure they have an updated SHTF plan.


13 posted on 07/30/2022 8:09:17 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Island-hopping required massing naval forces. With the technology available today, there isn’t a campaign that is comparable with two peer armies arrayed against each other.

It will be economic attrition that wins.


14 posted on 07/30/2022 8:17:36 AM PDT by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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Russia is the grain, Ukraine is the stone. As long as the grain is ground the stone will be turned. Yes, they will have lots of support.

I’m not so sure Russia is even getting body bags back but that is a minor point.

As long as Russia commits public atrocities they will be opposed with as much vigor as the Ukrainians can muster.

The nation is in ruins by now. I wonder what this does to the mind? I can’t imagine.


15 posted on 07/30/2022 8:21:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: Sequoyah101

body bags were imported to Russia and the usable supply is depleted.


16 posted on 07/30/2022 8:25:18 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: logi_cal869

“It is only a matter of time before Russia has US military ‘advisers’ in captivity as bargaining chips, and then ‘escalation’ will top search terms.”

Good post—glad that somebody gets it.

The US has made every single tactical and strategic error that Sun Tzu lists.

This will not end well for anyone.


17 posted on 07/30/2022 8:27:43 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Sequoyah101

‘One neat trick’ UKR is doing is to mount an offensive, take some territory then stop and dig in. The whole idea is to get the Russians to respond. The Russians come out of their fortifications and maneuver to confront the UKRs. That’s when the UKR artillery and HIMARS which have been brought in open up on them. Rope-a-dope.

Russian tactical dogma and rigid command structure ensures this will go on for months before they counter it.


18 posted on 07/30/2022 8:34:35 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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The just brought up 70 2S7 Pions will have a word here too.


19 posted on 07/30/2022 8:51:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Dr. Franklin
You're nuts if you think Ukraine is capable of launching any effective counteroffensive. This just bullsh#t created in order to give cover to politicians that want to continue to pour money into this failed proxy war.
20 posted on 07/30/2022 8:57:55 AM PDT by Kazan
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