Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ukraine: A tale of two Victorias
American Thinker ^ | 7/28/2022 | G. Murphy Donovan

Posted on 07/28/2022 9:00:50 AM PDT by Kazan

We might now call the proxy war in Ukraine a tale of two Victorias — a contest between the world views of assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and Indiana congresswoman Victoria Spartz.

Nuland magically vanished from the headlines after the post-coup phase of the now decade-old Ukraine fiasco. Recall that Nuland, an abrasive neo-conservative, was instrumental in the 2016 Maidan coup, which overthrew Viktor Yanukovych and a Ukrainian regime that dared to look East to Moscow as a potential ally.

Recall also, that when Ms. Nuland was queried about European concerns, she replied, "F--- the E.U."

So much for putative allied solidarity.

Indeed, Nuland was very visible in the Maidan regime change machinations as she supported Kiev's "right sector" zealots, a threat neutralized by Russia in detail at Mariupol last month. The infamous AZOV battalion and an assortment of volunteer anarchists were moved East after 2016 to confront pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region. Most so-called neo-Nazis in Ukraine are political linear descendants of Stepan Bandera, an infamous Schutzstaffel (SS) collaborator still celebrated in Kiev. Bandera was a another unindicted participant in the European Holocaust.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; neocons4biden; russia; russiantroll; ukraine
The article continues:

Much of the Ukrainian Nazi iconography — SS arm patches and flags, for example — has disappeared since Ukraine's NATO membership campaign took center stage. Stephan Bandera, however still thrives as a national touchstone.

With the remnants of AZOV now in Russian prison camps, Vladmir Putin's strategic goal of de-Nazification seems to be an operational win for the Kremlin — and Kiev. The Right Sector was always a bigger threat to Kiev than it was to Moscow. When the Russian army takes what remains of the Donbas, the Kremlin will have achieved a second strategic objective: a defensible buffer between NATO and the Russian homeland.

Like Crimea, Moscow is unlikely to relinquish any strategic real estate, especially a buffer bought with Russian blood.

Now comes Victoria Spartz (R-Ind.) a feisty, outspoken Ukrainian-born congresswoman who knows a puppet when she sees one. Spartz sees the Cyrillic on the wall in Kiev. A lone brave lady now dares to criticize Zelensky and his marionettes, illuminating two of Team Kiev's fatal strategic flaws: corruption and collusion.

The corruption problem has been a no-go zone for almost a decade now because too many threads lead back to Joe Biden's tenure as Ukraine point man in the Obama era. Clearly, then–vice president Biden, his brother, and his son were profiting from the 2014–16 free fall in Kiev. At the time, the Biden family probably thought that V.P. was as good as it would get for Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. and decided to grift a nest egg as long as Air Force II was still a free ride. The corruption problem in Ukraine, like Afghanistan and Vietnam, has always been a joint venture with Washington.

Alas, the collusion problem in Ukraine is a donkey of a different color, darker, more obscure — indeed, nearly invisible. The fall of Kherson should have been a big tell, were Washington, Brussels, and the legacy press not too busy canonizing Zelensky. As the Russians approached Kherson, the river bridges were mined, but never blown, giving Russians the delta without much of a fight — and now a clear shot at Mykolaiv and Odessa.

Clearly, as Victoria Spartz suggests, Ukrainian Russian sympathizers played a large role in the fall of the Dnieper delta. In an open campaign to solidify their Fifth Column, Moscow now prudently offers Russian passports to all comers in conquered/occupied territories.

Victoria Spartz, as a native daughter, is honest enough to realize that the collusion problem is not limited to Kherson. Note also that Odessa is a traditional Soviet destination resort with strong ties to Russian elites. If and when Odessa falls, it may go, like Kherson, with a Fifth Column whimper, not a fight.

And then maybe it's game over for Ukraine.

Two events should be decisive in the near term: the American congressional election in November and the Ukrainian winter that follows. Clearly, Brussels and Washington are trying to put lipstick on the Ukrainian pig in the run-up to November. Just as clearly, Russia is going to have a better winter than Ukraine, Europe, and America, all of whom are about to be throttled with a political and economic blizzard of epic, if not unknown dimensions.

With a cold moon rising over Washington and Brussels, "Putin's war" could become Biden's albatross, like Afghanistan, another self-inflicted humiliation. If we know anything about the Kremlin, we know two things. They can absorb the casualties, and they can endure the steppe winter. There is no history, or modern evidence, to suggest that Europe or America, one on one or collectively, will endure or relish similar discomforts — to say nothing of weathering a looming economic blight. The signs of ennui are everywhere, the usual press suspects have moved on, and Ukraine is no longer covered above the fold in America.

So far, the Russians are winning, and they have yet to break out their snowshoes, parkas, and skis.

Indeed, nobody does war and winter like a Russian.

1 posted on 07/28/2022 9:00:50 AM PDT by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kazan
Recall also, that when Ms. Nuland was queried about European concerns, she replied, "F--- the E.U."

It wasn't just European "concerns." The EU (particularly France/Germany) had worked out a tentative deal with the Government of Ukraine (headed by elected President Yanukovych) where a unity government would be formed, and new elections would be held for President, and a referendum on EU membership. Yanukovych agreed to step-aside for this election.

So Nuland's comment "F*** the EU" specifically was to this "unity government" and new elections. She wanted her coup, exactly on deep state terms. Thus the deal was scuttled.

2 posted on 07/28/2022 9:21:20 AM PDT by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

What the Biden war cheerleaders will not admit ( publically):

“ the corruption problem has been a no-go zone for almost a decade now because too many threads lead back to Joe Biden’s tenure as Ukraine point man in the Obama era. Clearly, then–vice president Biden, his brother, and his son were profiting from the 2014–16 free fall in Kiev. At the time, the Biden family probably thought that V.P. was as good as it would get for Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. and decided to grift a nest egg as long as Air Force II was still a free ride. The corruption problem in Ukraine, like Afghanistan and Vietnam, has always been a joint venture with Washington”
———————-
……good enough reason to call it senile Joes war,soon to become another embarrassing debacle like Afghanistan….something the war cheerleaders can chew on, again….hopefully just in time before the elections for all the world to see.

That said, word is out from vegetable head to the Pentagon to step up the great weapons give away, hold at all cost, down to the last Ukie- hold at all costs till AFTER the elections- in either case, a great awakening is about to occur.

Maybe, just maybe the public will finally realize ANYTHING vegetable head supports, does or mandates is to cripple the US.


3 posted on 07/28/2022 9:23:17 AM PDT by delta7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

The Cookie Lady

4 posted on 07/28/2022 9:34:30 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: delta7

bttt


5 posted on 07/28/2022 9:42:17 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

Obama/Biden’s Victoria Nuland assisted in the 2014 Euromaiden Revolution that overthrew Democracy in Ukraine. The disenfranchisement of Yanukovich voters (50% of the country) resulted in 3 Oblasts to seceding and an 8 year civil war for independence. Now Russia has stepped in to help those embattled Republics. Obama/Biden sowed the wind, they are now reaping the whirlwind. Their crocodile tears of moral outrage are the tell…


6 posted on 07/28/2022 9:50:36 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

The bottom line is: US influence on the situation in Ukraine is 4000 miles from US shores. And right on Russia’s border.

US foreign policy is malignant and of no legitimate benefit to anyone; see Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, Vietnam, so on and so forth. The pattern is clear and irrefutable.


7 posted on 07/28/2022 9:58:38 AM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

“Moscow now prudently offers Russian passports to all comers in conquered/occupied territories.”

Moscow has long practiced giving out Russian passports to all comers in territories that they want to conquer and occupy. After doing so then they use the pretext of “Protecting Russian Citizens” as their justification for aggression.

The proper response in every one of Russia’s neighboring states is that once a Russian passport holder is identified then that person must be immediately deported to Russia. And any Russian representatives caught handing out Russian passports should be immediately arrested as a hostile foreign agent. If they don’t have diplomatic cover then prison or execution would be in order.


8 posted on 07/28/2022 10:16:47 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MercyFlush
Moscow has long practiced giving out Russian passports to all comers in territories that they want to conquer and occupy

Now that is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

If you were in one of these regions the Russians have "occupied" would you accept a Russian passport? No one that views the Russians as occupiers would. Only those the view the Russians as liberators would.

What you refuse to accept is that that majority DO believe the Russians are liberators. Why wouldn't ethnic Russians feel that way? There some that just want peace and don't care who governs. But, there is very little resistance in the parts of Ukraine to the Russian taking over.

But, you refuse to accept reality. Or you're just shamelessly lying.

9 posted on 07/28/2022 10:25:43 AM PDT by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

“Now that is an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one.”

Then you’re ignorant of Russia’s established practices.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/many-ethnic-russians-in-estonia-have-gray-passports-live-in-legal-limbo.html

https://warsawinstitute.org/russia-hands-passports-diaspora/


10 posted on 07/28/2022 11:23:03 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson