I don't take wither “side” in this rather i do understand both. ...I just frankly don't like Zelensky’s playbook nor that of those using him.
As for Lavrov’s statements...he's going to play whatever card he has in hand just as we do in conflicts. We did the same in Syria, Iraq and other conflicts.... And just like we have Antifah on our streets and other bad actors there is a bastion of Nazi lovers in Ukraine (call them what you will) that can't be denied either, with their own agenda as well as without one...it is a mixed bag.
And just like we have Antifah on our streets and other bad actors there is a bastion of Nazi lovers in Ukraine (call them what you will)
Funny you should mention Antifa, because they are in the habit of calling anyone they don’t like “Nazis,” too.
” that can’t be denied either, with their own agenda as well as without one...it is a mixed bag.”
Except that the allegation MUST be quantified and substantiated, and neither you nor Lavrov even attempt to do so. If you spray a crowded room with a shotgun that has a wide choke, you’ll hit somebody, but that doesn’t make you a crack shot. So in the absence of any substantiation on your part, it can and must be denied in Zelensky’s case. It’s called “burden of proof”.
Poroshenko, who arguably MIGHT have been a “Nazi,” though I
think he was just a thug, was rejected by the voters in favor of Zelensky on a platform of anti-corruption and peace in Donbas. He failed in both counts, but the fact that the Ukrainian public preferred him by a wide margin indicates that they did not like Poroshenko’s program of unrestrained bombarding of their fellow Slavs in Donbas, or his corruption. You can’t then turn around and call Zelensky Hitler. That’s just a leftard trope. Lavrov is Putin’s Baghdad Bob. He says what he’s told to say. But like or hate Zelensky, in the absence of any proof or even substantiation, he can’t be compared to Hitler. That’s pure rhetorical overkill.
Allende or Marcos maybe. He is suppressing dissent and such, and stupidly telling the US whom he wants black-listed among American opinion makers. That’s certainly obnoxious and certainly not democratic, even for a war-time environment. But this is not about him or democracy. It’s about Putin invading a neighboring country, and the repercussions of that action, which are huge.