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And just like we have Antifah on our streets and other bad actors there is a bastion of Nazi lovers in Ukraine (call them what you will)

Funny you should mention Antifa, because they are in the habit of calling anyone they don’t like “Nazis,” too.

” that can’t be denied either, with their own agenda as well as without one...it is a mixed bag.”

Except that the allegation MUST be quantified and substantiated, and neither you nor Lavrov even attempt to do so. If you spray a crowded room with a shotgun that has a wide choke, you’ll hit somebody, but that doesn’t make you a crack shot. So in the absence of any substantiation on your part, it can and must be denied in Zelensky’s case. It’s called “burden of proof”.

Poroshenko, who arguably MIGHT have been a “Nazi,” though I
think he was just a thug, was rejected by the voters in favor of Zelensky on a platform of anti-corruption and peace in Donbas. He failed in both counts, but the fact that the Ukrainian public preferred him by a wide margin indicates that they did not like Poroshenko’s program of unrestrained bombarding of their fellow Slavs in Donbas, or his corruption. You can’t then turn around and call Zelensky Hitler. That’s just a leftard trope. Lavrov is Putin’s Baghdad Bob. He says what he’s told to say. But like or hate Zelensky, in the absence of any proof or even substantiation, he can’t be compared to Hitler. That’s pure rhetorical overkill.

Allende or Marcos maybe. He is suppressing dissent and such, and stupidly telling the US whom he wants black-listed among American opinion makers. That’s certainly obnoxious and certainly not democratic, even for a war-time environment. But this is not about him or democracy. It’s about Putin invading a neighboring country, and the repercussions of that action, which are huge.


85 posted on 07/27/2022 9:16:02 AM PDT by ToxicMasculinity (FREEEEEE DUMB!)
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To: ToxicMasculinity
You've mistakenly assumed I have labeled Zelensky a Nazi - which I have not. I have only stated the obvious, which you have as well, that there are Nazi's in Ukraine. What flavor they are or how they are used in this conflict does not eleminate the fact they are indeed there. As stated, Lavrov is going to pull whatever card he has and both he and Putin have pulled the Nazi card. How much anyone wants to buy into that as a part of his resaons for going into Ukraine is entirely up to individuals to discern. But it certainly isn't Putins primary reason for going into Ukraine - and regardless he thinks he's justified in doing so. He's got many reasons weather we like or agree or not. As for debating this entire conflict I'm not interested as previously I have done so. It's senseless to repeat again and again.
99 posted on 07/27/2022 4:04:15 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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