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The Tory leadership debate: desperate as a sales pitch, worse as entertainment
Guardian ^ | 7/15/2022 | John Crace

Posted on 07/17/2022 3:58:36 PM PDT by Blurp2

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To: Impy
>> Time bends and stalls when you’re in the parallel universe of a Liz Truss speech. She leaves audiences begging for a lethal injection. <<

Heh. Jacob Rees-Mogg may be correct that she's actually a decent conservative, but if her speaking style is anything like this article claims, she's a non-starter in the leadership race.

I'll be shocked if the British "Conservatives" pick an ACTUAL conservative this time around, or even someone to the right of 0bama.

21 posted on 07/17/2022 6:26:25 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: BillyBoy

The guardian? I wouldn’t put too mock stock into what they have to say.


22 posted on 07/17/2022 6:43:29 PM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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To: Blurp2
Well, the Tories have been running things for the past 12 years and their message has grown stale.

Whoever is chosen to replace Johnson will have a short term until the next general election.

Then there is the issue of another referendum on Scottish Independence upcoming.

The Guardian's pessimism here is not misplaced.

23 posted on 07/17/2022 7:26:43 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Celtic Conservative
Penny Mordaunt's hilarious televised belly flop resurfaces amid leadership  bid | indy100Pretty decent eye candy for a British politician.
24 posted on 07/17/2022 7:32:21 PM PDT by traderrob6
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I find it somewhat telling that you chose to qualify that with "for a British politician".

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CC

25 posted on 07/17/2022 7:43:53 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: mac_truck

Well, but my original question was (I know, it disappeared and was somehow I guess automatically replaced by the actual article title): is there any chance Boris could return? I mean, if the choices for the so-called Conservatives are as bad as it looks, one thing Boris did do was motivate people. He just seems so much more, er, presidential, so to speak... and boy, how the bar has been lowered on THAT...


26 posted on 07/18/2022 3:27:10 AM PDT by Blurp2 (...though it's tawdry and plain, it's a lovely old lane...)
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To: BillyBoy

Do you think of Boris as an actual conservative?


27 posted on 07/18/2022 3:28:00 AM PDT by Blurp2 (...though it's tawdry and plain, it's a lovely old lane...)
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To: Blurp2

Short answer is no...Johnson has lost the trust of his own party, so there is little chance he’ll be ever coming back as leader.


28 posted on 07/18/2022 5:46:01 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Blurp2

Nope. Cameron/May/Johnson are ALL leftist stooges in conservative drag. Their platform is indistinguishable from a typical RAT politician in the USA.


29 posted on 07/18/2022 8:26:13 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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>> the Tories have been running things for the past 12 years and their message has grown stale. <<

One prediction I got dead wrong is I predicted Boris Johnson's "government" would be lucky to last two months before collapsing with that bumbling doofus in charge. Instead, they won by a landslide. Of course, I was correct that he didn't govern remotely like an actual conservative.

I don't know what the Conservative Party's "message" to voters is, aside from checking to see where the Labour Party stands on every issue, and then drafting a Labour-Lite message based on that. It would be nice to have a party in the UK that actually stood for DIFFERENT policies. The UK Independence Party/Brexit Party did for a brief period, but they were too much a single issue "EU sucks" Party.

The "experts" all predicted that Conservative Party wouldn't last long after Margaret Thather left office after 12 years, as she was the glue holding the party together in the early 90s. John Major was widely seen as weak successor who would swiftly lose to Labour without Thather's coattails to carry him thru. Instead, they stuck around in power for ANOTHER 6 years in a huge upset... so stranger things have happened.

30 posted on 07/18/2022 8:39:42 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: PermaRag; Republican Wildcat; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT

So, Kemi was eliminated yesterday and it’s down to 3. Polls should Kemi would have beaten any of them if she had made the final 2 (when all party members vote)! Sigh.

Her supporters though will determine whether Truss or Mourdant makes it though, Mourdant was just 6 votes ahead of Truss, Kemi had 59.. Consensus on the right seems to be that Mourdant is no good.


31 posted on 07/19/2022 11:44:08 PM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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From Wikipedia:

>>>> Although a British citizen through birth in the UK, Badenoch stated that she was “to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant” during her parliamentary maiden speech <<<<

That’s nice. If Marco Rubio said that, FReepers would be up in arms.

>>>> Considered to be on the political right of the Conservative Party, Kemi Badenoch has criticised “critical race theory” and has been characterized as a social conservative and ‘anti-woke’ politician <<<<

A UK Conservative politician who is an ACTUAL conservative? Hmmm. No wonder she’s been “eliminated” from the leadership race. We can’t have that sort of thing in UK!

>>>> Shortly after her appointment as Minister of State for Equalities 2021, Vice News said they had received leaked audio from 2018 in which Badenoch mocked gay marriage. In 2019, Badenoch abstained on a vote to extend same-sex marriage rights to Northern Ireland. <<<<

So if she’s well known to be PUBLICLY against gay marriage and has said so repeatedly, why “abstain” from the vote? Why not just vote NO so you can go on record OPPOSING it? Grow a spine, Kemi!

>>> Kemi used the term transsexual which is considered offensive by many trans people. <<<<

In related news, I hear the term “vegetarian” is now considered VERY offensive to people who don’t eat meat!

>>> In a Black History Month debate in the House of Commons in October 2020, she reiterated the government’s opposition to primary and secondary schools teaching white privilege and similar “elements of critical race theory” as uncontested facts” <<<<

Hmmm. I suppose she would have been fun to have as PM, for the same reason I liked the idea of Sajid Javid (a nominal Muslim on paper who is vehemently against Sharia Law and outspokenly pro-Israel) as PM. Anything that drives leftists is insane is welcome.

>>> Following her elimination from the leadership contest on 19 July, Badenoch has stated that she will not endorse another candidate <<<

I hadn’t endorsed Kemi’s candidacy, but I agree with her on that one. The UK “Conservatives” overall are worthless, even the “very conservative” members seem to view 0bama-like beliefs and policies as “conservative”. I don’t expect Liz Truss to be an actual conservative just because Jacob Rees-Mogg says she will be (he also endorsed BJ and we KNOW how that turned out)


32 posted on 07/20/2022 9:20:03 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: BillyBoy; PermaRag; Republican Wildcat; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT

Kemi was clearly the best choice. The question now is who is least bad. Truss pulled into 2nd by 8 votes and will face Sunak. I think most the entire right of the party will be backing Truss.


33 posted on 07/20/2022 5:18:37 PM PDT by Impy ("We didn't steal the election, we swear!!!" - Sincerely, The Election Thieves )
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