There are no winners in a nuclear conflict. MAD.
Why would Russia breach the Finnish border?
While I pray that outcome would occur I pray harder that we need never find out
WW three will be ugly
Thanks for the thread. The Townhall thread is right on the money in many ways.
One thing I would say against it is, by totally ignoring Putin’s PHILOSOPHY and pathological gansterism, it misses the answer to the thread question.
Putin APPEARS to be fixated on one thing - Russia being a superpower. Has been right since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
He BELIEVED in the Soviet Union. He’s an ethnonationalist, thuggish, Deep State totalitarianist to the core. The Cold War may have left him, but he never left it, and he’s been wanting to bring it back since the day Russia, Ukraine and Belarus signed the trilateral agreement that created the Commonwealth of INDEPENDENT states.
But, the other half of his personality is, he’s a klepto. The biggest klepto on the planet. Everything he thinks should be his, is his, he thinks.
INDEPENDENT is the thing that boils Putin’s piss. In his Weltangschauung, even asking for independence (from Mother Russia) was the height of impudence. Being given it was the most ridiculous thing Russia’s ever done.
There are only three kinds of countries in Putin’s mind - the superpower, the vassal state, and a state that’s militarily and strategically unimportant.
Putin believes there is no such thing as independence if a superpower desires to rule over a state. We went on course toward a world war with Russia the very minute Putin rigged the system to put himself up as Leader For Life.
Putin is a fanatical idealist who got angrier and angrier by the pace of change around Russia. If Russia had put the trillion dollars the kleptos put into their own pockets, into infrastructure and modernisation and education instead, the Baltic states would’ve been begging to join the CIS instead of the EU, and now NATO.
For contrast, Mikhael Khordakovsky was a former hardball ideological commie turned oligarch klepto. Over time, he realised that kleptocracy wasn’t the answer and he urged Putin repeatedly to modernise not just the country, but his thinking too.
Putin took one bit of what MK said to heart - if Russia didn’t get on board with the Information Age, it would end up more backward than a third world basket case. As for the rest, Putin’s answer was to imprison MK, break up the guy’s business empire, sell it for pennies to cronies who then ruined it.
Basically, “screw you, I actually like gangsterism and I want to party like it’s 1988.”
In 2008, PUTIN goaded himself into Russian intervention and the rout of the Georgian arm, not because of what the neocons did but because it was the perfect opportunity to salami-slice its way back into “owning” Georgia like the good old Soviet days.
BEFORE 2014, PUTIN poisoned Yanukovych’s rivals and bought Yanukovych’s loyalty, and HE goaded Ukrainians into overthrowing the elected pro-Russian regime in Kyiv BY HAVING YANUKOVYCH HAND OVER UKRAINE’S ECONOMIC FUTURE TO DIRECT CONTROL FROM THE KREMLIN. When they succeeded, Putin seized Crimea and Sevastopol, for centuries the home base of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, DESPITE HAVING SIGNED UP TO THREE BINDING TREATIES COMMITTING RUSSIA NEVER TO DO THAT.
PUTIN doesn’t believe his country has been pushed against a wall by the West. He blames Gorbachev and Yeltsin for it. He also knows that Ukraine’s cities - and those in the Baltic states, and in East Germany - have had thirty years of modernisation and improved living conditions AND THAT IS WHY THEY LEAN WEST, while Russia, frankly, hasn’t had a paint job in forty years because the money to do it has been stolen by him and his mates.
And despite that, he wants to make Russia great again. Best way? Bomb the shit out of anywhere close by that might end up as a walking advert for how USELESS the Kremlin and Putin has been for Russia, and win some wars of conquest, and open a picture book showing Peter The Great’s Russia like a New Jerusalem.
What Putin fears the most with EU and NATO expansion is, ordinary Russians saying “why the hell can’t we have what they’ve got?” so he has walled off the internet, censors the news, and pushes out a whole series of utterly bonkers excuses for the war in Ukraine in order to brainwash his own people into thinking that Russia NEEDED to be bigger than it currently is.
Russia doesn’t need to be bigger to avoid “humiliation”, it needs to throw Putin and his kleptomaniac cronies in a gulag, sieze their assets, put those assets into a national development fund, and actually do what Russia should’ve done in the 90s.
Spend the Russian money on improving Russia instead of on palaces and yachts and totalitarian control instruments.
“Americans appear dismissive of dark Russian warnings that rather than accept defeat in Ukraine, the humiliation of their nation, and their encirclement and isolation, they will resort to tactical nuclear weapons.”
I truly believe Russia will do that, with or without America. You see, Putin is the ultimate narcissist and he’s built a death cult around it. That death cult runs Russia. In fact didn’t someone say, “What is the point of a world if Putin is not in it?”
The only “out” I can see is, a coup in Russia that doesn’t just end Putin personally but takes every last one of his enablers and True Believers in the Kremlin out at the same time. Only through another revolution can a SANE regime in Moscow find a way off the suicidal road Putin is determined to go down.
I think October 2022 has some symbolism. If we can string things out till then, maybe something interesting will happen.
I guess I’m part of a group that thinks that maybe Russia winning would be a good thing for this country.
They are certainly more on track with immigration, Christian thought, marriage and sexuality, and energy production than we are. And, at the moment, I don’t see them any worse on any other issue.
Whoever thought we’d see this day?
And just how do you propose to “win” a war with a country with the most powerful nuclear arsenal on the planet (a sobering 6000 super powerful nuclear weapons) and willing to use it if necessary?
That’s a high bar for a country matly losing since WWII, which the Russians won for her.
I believe the lunatics currently in charge in America would start a nuclear war to cling to whatever power they could.
The threat of Democrats losing power in the coming election is making them crazier than ever.
Nobody could win a nuclear war. Millions would die quickly and they would be the lucky ones. Millions more would linger and die in misery from radiation sickness. There would be virtually no medical help around for any survivors.
You should watch (re-watch) the movie “The Bedford Incident”. Listen carefully to the dialog. It discusses “desperation” to a T.
It is possible the United States will destroy itself before any war happens with Russia.
Lunatics and perverts in charge are running loose across America and the USA has no southern border.
Look at America’s large cities. Does the USA look like a country with any rational people in charge?
Who holds the moral high ground with decadence, crime, wholesale ignorance spewed by leaders and decay everywhere to be seen in the USA?
America is a country in which people in leadership cannot define the word “woman.” They cannot agree on what person can give birth.
Americans have lost trust in their elections.
The USA barely functions anymore. The nation can no longer manufacture its most essential needs and does not even make aspirin anymore.
U.S. airlines cannot maintain schedules.
U.S. vehicle manufacturers cannot finish building cars and trucks because of shortages of computer chips America does not manufacture.
The military leadership cannot meet recruiting goals while simultaneously working to kick out tens of thousands of trained service members because they refused an ineffective and deadly injection they were ordered to take.
When Duran’s Alexander Mercouris was asked about the Americans operating the HIMARs and what Russia’s response might be, he said.....
“But, they might retaliate in some other ways. Now, in Syria, there was an instance in Syria. It was not widely publicized, but I know for a fact that it happened...don’t ask me how, but I do know for a fact that it happened. There was a U.S. air strike which killed some Syrian soldiers in a city in the east of Syria called Deir el-Zor making it much easier for ISIS to surround that city and I believe some Russians were killed in that airstrike and the Russians retaliated directly against what was called a “war room”...a base, an intelligence base operated by U.S. agents; intelligence people in Syria. And they launched an airstrike against it and quite a lot of Americans were killed. Now this is hushed up, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if something similar starts to happen in Ukraine. I think Americans are pushing the envelope very, very far and I would be very surprised if the Russians don’t respond in some ways and I suspect that at some point there will be, if there isn’t already, strong warnings from Moscow to the U.S. not to push this any further than they have done.”
https://twitter.com/Su35CM/status/1544426051211862018
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New attack on the US base in #Syria in the governorate of Deir el-Zor. The third attack in two days. As a result of yesterday’s attack, MLRS missile depot detonated, the explosion was visible 40 km away. US refrains from commenting.”
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/188746/US-base-in-eastern-Syria-targeted-with-missiles
July 4, 2022
US base in eastern Syria targeted with missiles
TEHRAN, Jul. 04 (MNA) – News sources reported that an American base in the east of Deir ez-Zor was targeted with several missiles on Monday night.
News sources reported two explosions in Deir Ezzor province in eastern Syria.
Al-Arabiya news channel, quoting its sources, on its Twitter page reported that an American base in Deir ez-Zor was targeted on Monday evening.
Meanwhile, Tehran-based Al-Alam Network also reported that two explosions took place in the Al-Omar oil field in the east of Deir Ez-Zor, and a huge fire broke out after that.
Local sources also reported that helicopters belonging to the US-led international coalition are currently flying near Al-Tanf area in the border triangle of Syria, Jordan and Iraq.
No further details about the possible casualties as a result of these explosions have not come out yet.
This morning Russia reported.....
On July 14, Kalibr high-precision sea-based missiles hit the building of the garrison house of officers in the city of Vinnitsa.
◽️At the time of the strike, a meeting was held at this military facility between the command of the Ukrainian air forces and representatives of foreign arms suppliers on the transfer of the next batch of aircraft and weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as organizing the repair of the Ukrainian aviation fleet. As a result of the strike, the meeting participants were destroyed.”
That the US would triumph?
Like in Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan?
At what cost?
Visit Walter Reed.
The Pentagram is not military strategists. It is political.
We are being played.
If HIMARS is doing what we are told it is, Putin may bring out tactical nukes. Then I suppose we would have to supply Ukraine with the same.
It’s called escalation.
Triumph, as in seeing US Troops march into Moscow?
That ain’t gonna happen.
I don’t think we should start any wars or even have fought most wars of the past EXCEPT WWII (we were attacked, and Nazi Germany declared war on US34 days later) and Afghanistan, but only to destroy the Taliban who would not give up Bin Laden. We should have left there in the Summer of 2002. No nation building ANYWHERE.
Iraq was based on a fakery created by Saddam to make him seem invulnerable but as soon as we took him down, REAL chaos took place.
We should be working with all our might to get negotiations between Russia and Ukraine—not feeding our treasure into the fight.
But still I would challenge FReepers, that, in the unlikely event WE—that is USA—are attacked, we’d all support the USA against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
The Oath I took 6 times is not negotiable, but as an independent American I get to decide what is propaganda or fake.
The False Deep State does NOT have my allegiance.
And yes, I do have a moral right to defend my country and oppose the Deep State at the same time. Thinking men know the difference.
I am thinking that NATO should be reviewing their stockpiles of ATGM and broadly training their reserves / militia on the use of the weapons.
NO! For cryin out loud!