Yep. The main thing Germany and France always seem to overlook is, Minsk 1 snd 2 gave Russia the very same thing that kicked off Euromaidan in the first place so the idea it would’ve been anything other than a fast track to a bigger conflict is idiotic.
Summer 2013: Yanukovych and Azarov convinced their party to squash the EU Free Trade Association agreement. Both got massive Kremlin kickbacks.
December 2023: Yanukovych signed a deal with Putin that effectively handed Putin the ability to call in Ukraine’s debts within 12 months and then put Kremlin economic management into the Kyiv administration. Economic annexation by the back door.
Of course Putin was incensed by Yanokovych being sacked by a majority vote across ALL parties in the Rada after senior figures his own party resigned, triggering a collapse of his administration. The plan had been for Yanukovych, backed by separatists and Kremlin stooges, to engineer a default that’d trigger the Russian takeover.
Minsk 1 did the same thing but with foreign policy. Of course Ukraine didn’t implement it. No sane government would’ve. It was a shit deal cooked up by the EU’s biggest pro Russian surrender monkeys.
This city is so far away from the front lines and isn’t even in a contested Oblast. The nearby city of Khmelnytsky is one that is practically untouched by the war. Ukraine doesn’t even enforce conscription from there to the front. So even if Russia did think there might be a military command structure somewhere in that part of Ukraine, it’s highly unlikely they’d have had the precise location of a valuable military target.
The “human shields” logic cannot reasonably apply to EVERY town or city with any military presence in it AT ALL. If it did then every town and city with an office in it somewhere becomes a legitimate target even if it has no connection to the war at all.
Litmus test. Say America and Mexico go toe to toe and fighting concentrates along the border. If some ally of the beanos drops a fat one on a town in the far north of the USA in a state that’s staying out of the conflict, is that “fair do’s, whaddya expect in wartime?”
Alternatively, if Russia wants to play that game, now its military are saying Kherson is as Russian as St Petersburg, Ukraine attacking Russian forces in Kherson or along the Russian border is fundamentally no different to Ukraine attacking some pissant town in the Urals. And the logic flows in the other direction.
Russkie logic 101. Ukraine invaded Russia the minute the White Flag went up in Kherson. The USA is supporting that invasion. Ergo, the USA faces only legitimate retaliation. Nukes are legitimate. Ergo, if Russia nukes Alabama tomorrow America has got no real argument that they were attacked in a disproportionate way.
If you argue with that, they’ll say “but it’s exactly like what you anti-globohomo Freepers said...”
“If you argue with that, they’ll say “but it’s exactly like what you anti-globohomo Freepers said...”
I don’t bother to argue. Just present the facts so they may become enlightened without losing face. Then, if they get silly... just ‘ghost them.’ Everyone know who they are & will understand why they are ignored.
THE FIRST RUSSIAN INVASION WAS IN 2014. PUTIN SENT HIS ‘UN-MARKED’ little green men to take Crimea. Then, the Russians [home-grown & imported] in Donbas became emboldened to cause havoc!
Just glad many sensible Freepers are standing up.
Some of us have learned the lessons of ww2, know that Russia and China are enemies, and that we have a national security to worry about even when idiot Biden is president.
And that Biden was weak and encouraged this invasion to happen and wanted no war with Russia.
I’m sorry that many of them, misled by Tucker Carlson, actually think we want a nuclear war with Russia.
But they do use crazy tactics. Last night Tucker was right there with them saying Russia never forced covid lockdowns on us etc.
Which has NOTHING to do with Russia being in a military alliance with China and invading Ukraine while threatening to nukev us and our allies.
Some of us have a strategic vision. These idiots actually think it’s all about a petition for a gay statue in Ukraine.
They’re entitled to their opinions but some of them are amoral at best.