Posted on 07/12/2022 10:22:09 AM PDT by rktman
The term "pedestrian" has a derogatory meaning because peasants walked while nobles were "equestrians" and rode horses. The industrial revolution eliminated this class difference, as it did so many others, by making car ownership available to the masses until eventually Herbert Hoover was able to boast that "Republican prosperity has reduced and increased earning capacity” to "put the proverbial 'chicken in every pot' and a car in every backyard to boot."
Democrats have spent two generations trying to get those cars out of every backyard.
Biden is trying to bring back Obama's mileage standards that were estimated to raise car prices by 20%.The goal is to "nudge 40% of U.S. drivers into electric vehicles by decade’s end."
Will 40% of Americans be able to afford electric cars that cost an average of $54,000 by 2030?
Not likely. Nor are they meant to. Biden’s radical ‘green’ government, which includes Tracy Stone-Manning, the former spokeswoman for an ecoterrorist group as the head of the Bureau of Land Management, isn’t looking to nudge drivers into another type of cars, but out of cars.
Gas prices are a way to price Americans out of car ownership under the guise of pushing EVs.
Biden's Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm responded to American concerns about high gas prices by urging them to buy electric cars. Granholm, who had promoted a green energy tycoon who spent years in prison for fraud, who had served on the board of directors of an electric battery company, and made millions divesting stock in an electric vehicle manufacturer, is a fan.
"Most electric vehicles are now cheaper to own than gas-powered cars from the day you drive them off the lot," Granholm tweeted.
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Already I am confused.
Does the Administration suggest that 40% of REGISTERED VEHICLES will be EV’s or the 40% of new car SALES will be EV’s? Let’s look at the numbers.
REGISTERED VEHICLES in 2021 in the US = 290,000,000
40% of 290,000,000 = 116,000,000
time to replace = 8.5 years
116,000,000 / 8.5 = 13,650,000 vehicles annually
average US auto sales (2019-2021) 16,100,000
84.5% of all US auto sales must be EV’s in order for this goal to be met. That’s clearly not going to happen.
Maybe they just mean new car sales?
NEW CAR SALES FOR ALL ALL VEHICLES
2019 = 17.1 million units
2021 = 15.1 million units
Average new car sales = 16.1 million units
40% of 16.1 million units = 7.25 million units
NEW CAR EV SALES
2019 = 240,000 (EV only)
2021 = 435,000 (EV only)
Average EV sales = 337,500 units
Required increase in sales over the next 8.5 years in order to reach 40% of all new car sales = 2150%
Not gonna happen.
It never does with these people. They spend their time and our money inventing these fantasies that are impossible to achieve. And it is not even a matter of ideology or political persuasion: it is simple arithmetic.
But it is something they want to make standard equipment which will increase the price of the car that is my whole point!
“But it is something they want to make standard equipment which will increase the price of the car that is my whole point!”
Your point was that it would make it unaffordable:
“That will raise the price more than 20%!”
Your 20% is way off.
This is what you’ll get when there is NO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
I don't know what "mpg" is in the context of an electric car. Miles per gallon of what? Nor do I go by the gubment's falsely contrived "MGPe" to tell you some kind of fake equivalent of mpg in the EV world. Let's talk real world
My EV gets 2.5 miles per kWh (although the stated mileage is 3.0, but the real world is always different from the brochure version, no doubt in part from using the A/C and from my lead foot). And in my last power bill I was charged 13.6 cents per kWh (that's real costs with the riders and tax added, not the stated cost of 10.6 cents/kWh). Doing that math to get monthly cost to run the EV to drive it ~200 miles/week is:
200 miles/week X 4.3 weeks/month X 1kWh/2.5 miles X $0.136/kWh = $46.78 per month to charge the EV.
And that's without the solar system. If you want a deep dive into that it's at https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4060059/posts?page=22#22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZupwFOhjl4
Two things Americans will never give up. Guns and cars.
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Are you forgetting that the very people whose game plan is to take away our cars and our guns are now IN POWER in this country because of a stolen election? And that those same criminals are conspiring night and day to steal all future elections? And that the reason they are able to steal elections is because millions of ignorant people will vote multiple times to ensure that their welfare benefits will not be eliminated? Make no mistake, these people have the power to take our cars, our guns, and our life. Don’t think so? Wait and see.
We need to buy old gas powered clunkers with no computer technology.
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Funny you should mention that, because I have two pick-ups and two SUVs, all clunkers, but all tagged, insured, and running whenever I need them. No worries about car payments, dents, scratches, dirt, thieves, or high insurance rates. If one breaks down I just climb in another one, no problem. Purchase price range, $2,500 to “high end” $4,000!
“I guess you have not seen a deep dive into total operating costs, the best equivalency figures were at 5.9 mpg for electric.”
Please cite the source of your “deep dive” fact.
Well I admit there is plenty of ‘pie in the sky’ analysis showing how great these electric cars are and yet...
1.) How would this look without the gov’t subsidies.
2.) Cost is 5k to 20K more than gas car.
3.) Electric depreciates faster too.
4.) Good luck on road trips finding working charging stations.
5.) How many electric vehicles have already been sent to the junk yard.
6.) Most analysis skips to costs of mining/refining rare earth metals.
7.) Cost of electric per Kwh quotes vary wildly and usually much higher at the charging stations vs home hookup.
8.)
I could go even deeper but until we allow free market competition the waters will be muddied. Gas is currently way over-priced, Trump showed $2/gal possible in spite of gov taxes and obie care.
I believe under $1/gal is highly likely when we return Trump to office, reduce/eliminate gov agencies (some only 99% but others so bloated there seems to be no limit - think DOE & HHS!) and restore all of our constitutional rights. Electric cars actually preceeded gas cars over 100 years ago and yet never became viable, imo still not even close to viable if you could remove all the gov ‘help’ - like tilting at windmills eh?
You evaded my request.
How would this look without the gov’t subsidies
(Tesla subsidies have ended. Ford this year)
Electric depreciates faster too.
(According to data provided by CarWow, EVs retain about 48% of their value after three years or 36,000 miles. However, ICE vehicles are only worth just under 40 percent of their initial value after the same period. This shows that EVs retain their values better. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/do-evs-depreciate-faster-than-ice-vehicles-ev-riz#:~:text=The%20answer%20is%20yes%3B%20electric%20vehicles%20do%20depreciate.,an%20interesting%20history%20when%20it%20comes%20to%20depreciation.)
Good luck on road trips finding working charging stations.
(97% of Tesla charging stations are functional)
How many electric vehicles have already been sent to the junk yard.
(How many?)
Most analysis skips to costs of mining/refining rare earth metals.
Cost of electric per Kwh quotes vary wildly and usually much higher at the charging stations vs home hookup.
(Most charging is done at the home)
“Most analysis skips to costs of mining/refining rare earth metals.”
Costs are included in the cost of the battery which is included in the cost of the car.
“Cost of electric per Kwh quotes vary wildly “
Least Expensive
Louisiana 9.7
Washington 9.35
Arkansas 9.01
Oklahoma 10.3
Kentucky 10.36
Idaho 9.83
Tennessee 10.72
Utah 9.97
Mississippi 11.12
Oregon 10.68
As you can see, the tenth-least expensive state, Oregon, isn’t far from the above-mentioned national average of 13.1 cents, and this shows that much of the nation is bunched around that average.
In the end folks believe whatever they want to believe. I still trust free markets (once we get them back) to help settle the score. Also do you know how much Tesla and others are charging at their stations? From what I’ve seen some of these rates are crazy high per Kwh compared to even these below (which you chose not to include):
Most Expensive
Hawaii 34.43
Alaska 21.99
Connecticut 20.8
Massachusetts 20.6
California 19.44
New York 17.34
New Hampshire 18.9
Rhode Island 18.2
Vermont 17.9
Maine 16.3
Another gov subsidy ending 2024 is gas/road taxes, that will also add to electric driver regrets.
“Another gov subsidy ending 2024 is gas/road taxes”
Source? Or did you make that up like your other posts?
Most sources are worthless and only time will tell when electric tax for use of public roads will be required. I checked the math on your source and it doesn’t add up either! But ymmv obviously.
“Most sources are worthless and only time will tell when electric tax for use of public roads will be required.”
Oh, you just make up facts and post them!
“I checked the math on your source and it doesn’t add up either! “
Did you? Or are you just making up another ...
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!
But you are the genius so please show how they arrived at these numbers from your source.
“Now, how much does a family end up paying? Well, data from the UIEA tell us that the average U.S. household uses 687 kWh per month. If you multiply that by the average cost of 13.1, you arrive at an average of $116.69 per month. Does that sound familiar?
To dig deeper, the average abode in Hawaii, in 2016, not needing to run the heat a lot, maybe cooking with a grill on the patio, used just 505 kWh per month. That means that this family, with Hawaii’s high rates, would pay $168.67, much more than the national average, even though they’re conserving energy.”
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