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The G-7 Squawks But They’ve Already Lost the War Against Russia
Tulongo ^ | June 29 22 | Tom Luono

Posted on 07/03/2022 2:00:44 PM PDT by delta7

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To: iontheball

I like your post ... Succint. To the point, and easy to understand... 👍


41 posted on 07/03/2022 5:27:20 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy ("Man is the only pack animal that will follow an unstable leader." Cesar Chavez)
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To: dfwgator

Russians haven’t changed one bit since 1991. They are as imperialistic and corrupt as they were in USSR times.


42 posted on 07/03/2022 5:31:49 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

[Nah. Europe has had more than 50 years.

They have a union of 26 countries.

This is their task.

We are not their financed and military outsource.

Cut the umbilical cord on these welfare queens!

It’s time for them to stand on their own feet.]


The last time we tried isolationism, just before WWII, we lost 400,000 dead GI’s and spent the equivalent of 2 years economic output pushing the Nazis out *and* giving the genocidal Russians a new lease on life. Who then killed 100K GI’s in Korea and Vietnam through supplying North Korea and North Vietnam with copious amounts of weaponry. Until we break even, body count-wise (and the Russians are 60K short), we should supply Ukraine just to even out the cosmic balance.

Relative to today’s economy, we spent the equivalent of $44T in WWII. I think of $40b as a small price to pay.

Ultimately, Russia is an 11 time zone country. I completely understand Germany wanting lebensraum, It used to be half the size of Ukraine and 1/50 the size of Russia. For Russia to want lebensraum? If Russia isn’t big enough today, it will *never* be big enough. Russia’s limitless territorial ambitions combined with its massive expanse and a regime structured for war are what make it dangerous.


43 posted on 07/03/2022 5:32:51 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
I think of $40b as a small price to pay.

Then let Europe pay it.

Until we break even, body count-wise (and the Russians are 60K short), we should supply Ukraine just to even out the cosmic balance.

It can be Europe getting "even". We shouldn't give them another penny. Europe should.

Russia’s limitless territorial ambitions combined with its massive expanse and a regime structured for war are what make it dangerous.

I believe this is almost completely a propaganda narrative of the West in order to have an enemy.

That said, if there is a chance it is true, time for Europe to step up.

44 posted on 07/03/2022 5:54:39 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: delta7

Europe wasn’t going to go all in on a U.S. proxy war for the Ukraine crime syndicate involving George Soros, Klaus Schwab, Jao Bai-din, Hunter Biden, Paul Pelosi, John Kerry Jr., Christopher Heinz (Kerry), and Alex Vindman.


45 posted on 07/03/2022 5:55:21 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Zhang Fei

Yeah. Right. Sure.

Putin’s aim was to take on NATO.

Guess you don’t hear yourself.


46 posted on 07/03/2022 5:56:17 PM PDT by A strike (LGBFJRoberts)
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To: Zhang Fei

Russia is far too corrupt and inbred to ever threaten Europe. If Europe falls it will be from within due to immigration.


47 posted on 07/03/2022 6:01:00 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

[I believe this is almost completely a propaganda narrative of the West in order to have an enemy.

That said, if there is a chance it is true, time for Europe to step up. ]


You’re entitled to your viewpoint. Others disagree. I can’t get too worked up about $40b over Ukraine when the government is spending almost $9T, mostly on things I don’t really care about. Defending the realm is the only traditional function of government. Something like 10% of government spending is defense. I’m OK with that.


48 posted on 07/03/2022 6:16:48 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: lodi90

[Russia is far too corrupt and inbred to ever threaten Europe. If Europe falls it will be from within due to immigration.]


Russia/Greater Novgorod has been corrupt and inbred throughout its whole existence. Somehow it managed to swallow up most of the old Mongol Empire (80% of its territory) and defeat multiple European Great Powers including France, Germany, Poland, Sweden and supplant the Kievan Rus (i.e. proto-Ukraine), which used to be the Slavic power in its neighborhood.

I’d say that institutionally speaking, Russia is set up as a despotism wired for territorial conquest. That’s why, like China, only the complete dismantlement of the empire, with its component parts becoming independent countries, will end the threat. Barring that, we can only guard against them and arm the targets of their ambitions where we aren’t explicitly allied with those targets. Russia’s wars are clumsy, inefficient and inelegant. But by the end of its campaigns, it is bigger, land- and population-wise, and the free world is smaller. That’s why we can’t ignore Russia’s military expeditions.


49 posted on 07/03/2022 6:29:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

—> Something like 10% of government spending is defense. I’m OK with that.

Sure. Southern border of the US - our national interest.


50 posted on 07/03/2022 6:35:23 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

[Sure. Southern border of the US - our national interest.]


The Southern border has enough cash. Biden is just letting illegals go, after making them promise to show up in court. Only way to change that is a GOP president in 2024. There is no political remedy for a law-breaking Democratic president if his own party doesn’t turn against him and the GOP lacks the numbers to impeach and remove any Democrat who continues his law-breaking. Nixon merely skirted the law, and the GOP went after him. No chance of the Dems going after Biden.


51 posted on 07/03/2022 6:41:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: jimwatx

If price caps on Russian oil fail and gas prices explode vastly higher, it is only a matter of time until we hear talk of taking Russian oil itself.

Somebody will suggest we invade Russia and take their oil fields.


52 posted on 07/03/2022 7:27:00 PM PDT by VetoBill
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To: dfwgator

Soviet Russia must be destroyed.

It was in 1991.
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At the time, we had been given one of those tall, large, old satellite dishes. The MSM at that time did not encrypt their feed, so we had silent pool footage of calm, burly factory workers building barricades out of whatever they could find along with those little state-produced cars. We also could see the editing bays for the major networks, which was instructive. The bays may have had sound, but I don’t really remember.

So, that revolution was televised.


53 posted on 07/03/2022 8:27:36 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Hiddigeigei

No matter the outcome in Ukraine, the WEF and the “Great Reset” wins. “Small wars, pandemic, economic chaos, starvation, abortion, non-reproductive/queer sex;”
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The 4th Reich is not winning, although they do keep plodding forward, if only because they dare not stop and lose momentum.

They are not winning the current *small* war. Putin has called them out, by name and deed and vowed to end them...actually, he has declared them ended.

No one believes the plandemic scam any longer, except for a small cadre still wedded to legacy media. C19 is over for the populace. Money pockets fizzled immediately. Economic chaos continues, but it does look as though the petrodollar is on life support and all the West can do is issue worthless paper.

Starvation is looming in the 3rd/4th world, but already the grain deliveries are slowly exiting the Black Sea and Russia has the capability of sending food by plane, if it gets that bad. The US has the most permissive abortion laws in the world and those are now relegated to the individual states, without the force of the Federal government behind it. Many trannies are not surgically altered and the new attention-getter/virtue signal is for intact biological women who present as males to become pregnant by their biologically male partners, who present as women. Ukraine took great pains to protect their Ukranian surrogates, as that is a source of foreign capital from male homosexuals, as well as a source of profitable fetal tissue now that Planned Parenthood has ben forced into retreat.

Worst of all, we know who the 4th Reich is in terms of organization and individuals. Secrecy served them well for a long time, but that is now gone.

They’ve done some damage, but likely no more than 10%-15% of global population. And everyone affected is angry & out for blood.

Ukraine is a disaster for them.


54 posted on 07/03/2022 8:52:08 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: jimwatx

it is certainly revealing cracks in nato.

i was surprised germany had gone along with any of this. they have developed close ties with russia in the last 3 decades. former heads of state openly worked for russia after retirement. nordstream 2 was about to go on line.

presumably one side intent of the UK/US was force germany to separate from russia. I suspect both russia and germany are hoping that they can continue business once things calm down in a year or two, rather than end up in continuous war.

so uk/us want ww3, almost certainly put lithuania up to the kaliningrad trick, and france/germany put their foot down and said no.


55 posted on 07/03/2022 10:16:41 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Zhang Fei

What is air power against more competent fliers and layered air defense?
I am unaware of any fact of the Ukrainian air defeating a Russian aircraft in the air battle. Ukrainians were getting shot down on a daily basis until they lost their aircraft. Whatever assets they hid in Poland and Romania get shot down to this day everywhere it shows up.


56 posted on 07/03/2022 10:53:13 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
I read on Free Republic of a Ukrainian grandmother who still in hair curlers and pajamas shot down 60 million Russian airplanes while cooking breakfast. And the Russians are going to have build airplanes 24/7/ 365 for the next thousand years to catch up with how many she shot down before morning break.
57 posted on 07/03/2022 11:12:06 PM PDT by sport
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To: delta7; MercyFlush; Eleutheria5; Rockingham; Greetings_Puny_Humans; Krosan; Williams; Widget Jr
One of the most-execrable pieces of Soviet Russian propaganda that I have seen here at Free Republic since... since, well, the last article which delta7 posted here five minutes ago.

This article cannot serve as a basis for rational discourse. It is slanted and warped and fallacious from the get-go.

It might be fun for some FReepers to pick it apart and reveal how profoundly flawed it is, sentence by sentence, but I, personally, regard that as a waste of time.

Regards,

58 posted on 07/03/2022 11:19:50 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: MercyFlush
Every morning you wake up and time warp into another reality.

There is no Supreme Soviet, and no Chairman of the Presidium.

Russia has had a bicameral Federal Assembly since 1993.

59 posted on 07/03/2022 11:26:11 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: alexander_busek
#59. Luono uses the Duran as a credible source. Disbarred lawyers turned internet experts on everything are experts on telling a select audience what they want to hear.

As for the global economics, the war is only four months old and is going to last at least on year, maybe two. One economic quarter is not enough to show any real global economic changes. Russian losses can not be made up like Ukraine's. Russian production of war material may look good short term, the in the long term the writing is on the wall due to sanctions. Too busy and tired this holiday weekend to go into the rest of this.

60 posted on 07/03/2022 11:34:18 PM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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