Posted on 06/28/2022 2:54:19 PM PDT by whitney69
Roe v. Wade was a 1973 decision that affirmed a right to an abortion before fetal viability – “generally” understood by experts in present times to mean 24 weeks of pregnancy. Pregnancy lasts for about 280 days or 40 weeks so the marker is just better than half of the average of the normal human gestation period. But that doesn’t cover late term abortion, in some cases with the child partially outside the birth canal and with the attributes of living like breathing, moving, and in some cases, awake. Public discussion about abortion in the United States has generally focused on policy: who should be allowed to have abortions, and under what circumstances.
Receiving less attention are the women behind the statistics—the 1.3 million women who obtain abortions each year and their reasons for having abortions. While a small proportion of women who have abortions do so because of health concerns or fetal anomalies, the large majority choose termination in response to an unintended pregnancy. The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
So it was not a choice of health problems. It was an irresponsible act of recreation that will cost a life. And that becomes criminal.
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human creature without malice, either ex- press or implied, and without any mixture of deliberation whatever; which may be voluntary, upon a sudden heat of passion, or involuntary, in the commission of an unlawful act, or a lawful act without due caution and circumspection. (Black’s Law Dictionary)
Murder two is the term for a homicide that is not associated with malice or any premeditation but is still from a result of causing harm. It is a more serious crime than manslaughter. (Black’s Law Dictionary)
Murder one term that is the describes the killing of a person that has been planned and carried out with malice. (Black’s Law Dictionary)
Therefore, at what point is it going to be determined that, sans rape or deadly health problems for the fetus or mother, or rape and forced incest, is it going to be determined a crime?
Abortion has never been a part of birth control. Yet through the negligent and foolish act of two people of sound mind and having the recognized capacity to determination of their responsibilities to society, people have the opportunity to act in a rational way to kill another human being…legally.
wy69
The viability standard is BS. Leave a three month old kid in the corner and see how viable he is.
“While a small proportion of women who have abortions do so because of health concerns or fetal anomalies, the large majority choose termination in response to an unintended pregnancy.”
It seems to me women who have unintended pregnancies are to clueless or stupid to prevent getting pregnant and are the ones guilty of infanticide
OK, gotcha. Dropping the kid in the corner now and fencing him in with two dressers and a folding table.
How long should I leave him there?
A grown Rat isn’t viable, and we don’t abort them.
You misunderstand.
So I should let him out?
Why you say that stuff and then take it right back?
There’s a kid suffering here all because of crap you said.
You a sociopath.
I took it to mean viability shouldn’t be the standard. But maybe I’m wrong I was once.
Saw this U.K. stat earlier today: in the 10 years before abortion was legalized there, a grand total of 11 women died in “back alley” procedures. I would venture a guess that far more die at the hands of “diversity” every decade.
Moral concerns will remain, not matter what the law agrees to.
The big moral concern is when the choice to abort is because carrying the baby is something of “inconvience” due to (a) out of wedlock, (b) will interfere with career plans/abilities, or (c) financial hardship, then where was the moral sense of responsbiity that failed to conduct life so as to prevent the preganncy. Why is it the baby’s fault for a preventable failure by the mother and her sexual partner.
Well, don't leave us in suspense -- how long did your parents leave you there, bubblegummer?
“The viability standard is BS. Leave a three month old kid in the corner and see how viable he is.”
...not sure what your point is here?
When the baby moves it's alive... that's the quickening. No abortion after that point. About 16 weeks.
King James Bible: (Acts 10:42), Paul's letters to Timothy (2 Timothy 4:1), and the First Epistle of Peter.
The living and the dead... the quick and the dead...
If only we knew what caused pregnancy, maybe we could prevent unwanted pregnancies from happening. I guess I'm just a dreamer that such a thing could ever happen.
My point is I don’t see “viability” as anything more than a distraction. As if there is some line at which a life is life.
No one, ever, is viable without protections and sustenance.
OK, gotcha. Dropping the kid in the corner now and fencing him in with two dressers and a folding table. How long should I leave him there?
You actually did this? Who's kid did you abandon?
Adoption!!!!
How many women die now getting non-medical grade silicone shot into their bodies by non-doctors? Perhaps silicone injections should be free so that women don’t die getting more affordable back alley injections?
No he doesn’t. Don’t feed the troll.
If HG’s play is to lead with his chin then a little plinking is fun.. to mix metaphors. Passes my time, lol.
All in humor and good fraternity!
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