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To: Cronos
Ukraine had a negotiated agreement with Russian in 1994 in which Russia promised to protect Ukraine’s borders. That was broken in 2014.

Minsk Accords? Was that where, after the Maidan Coup, Ukraine promised some autonomy to the eastern, ethnic Russian states and instead, they launched a war on them? Or are you thinking of something else?

32 posted on 06/26/2022 7:08:48 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88; Cronos
Minsk Accords? Was that where, after the Maidan Coup, Ukraine promised some autonomy to the eastern, ethnic Russian states and instead, they launched a war on them? Or are you thinking of something else?

Do you mean the original Minsk ones - https://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL(1994)054-e - or the terms that Ukraine were effectively coerced to sign, and which Putin unilaterally declared void in February this year?

 

There's a whole shopping list of stuff that not only pre-dates EuroMaidan, but is a damn sight more legally AND morally enforceabable than Minsk was.

Multiple treaties with Ukraine were terminated unilaterally by Russia in March 2014, one week after the annexation of Crimea by Russia. Including all three of the above.

Even Putin's objection to NATO expansion is based on a completely non-binding agreement made by James Baker, ratified by absolutely nobody either in the USA or in Soviet Russia. It was only ever binding on the USA and NATO while the USSR still existed, while the USSR didn't accept the sovereign independence of its constituent nation states, and Germany was partitioned.

Gorbachev said unequivocally that America fulfilled every aspect of that agreement. That agreement couldn't bind the next US President, or the presidents of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia OR ANY OTHER EX-SOVIET STATE, after they became fully independent. Not one single world leader ever ratified it, and even if they had it never stipulated what to do in the event of the USSR disbanding itself.

Again, Putin only makes a big deal of it because the non-NATO expansion thing was set up while the USSR existed, and guess what! Lukashenko's Belarus, and Putin's Russia, do not accept that the breakup of the USSR happened. They are both utterly wedded to the idea that every international agreement that even mentions an independent Ukraine is null and void because they regard the breakup of the Soviet Union as illegitimate.

The attempt to blame Schwab, or Ukraine, or talk of NATO expansion, for the last eight years of turmoil in Ukraine is misplaced.
Long before any of that, an intellectual lobby inside Russia - represented well by Putin, Dugin and Zhirinovsky but also by numerous current Duma politicians - were resolved to undo the breakup of the USSR.

They don't want communism back; they just want an ethnonationalist Rashist empire with Russia in charge and Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, Georgia, Khazakstan, Chechnya, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc. under its yoke.

Arguing that Putin has any moral high ground here is a bit like saying the Deep State might be doing some bad stuff, but is motivated by good intentions.

Putin and Schwab/Soros are two sides of the same coin.

40 posted on 06/26/2022 8:55:03 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: PGR88

Minsk accords came later - after Russia had already reneged on it’s 1994 promise to protect Ukraine’s territorial integrity


56 posted on 06/28/2022 12:13:56 AM PDT by Cronos
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