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The West’s unity over Ukraine could be starting to crack, just as Russia’s invasion gains ground
CNBC ^

Posted on 06/16/2022 3:57:25 AM PDT by FarCenter

LONDON — There are increasing signs that Western unity over the war in Ukraine could be starting to crack as the conflict drags on and leaders face public discontent over rampant inflation and the cost of living crisis.

There are widespread concerns over how long the war could continue, with some strategists saying it has all the hallmarks of a war of attrition where no side “wins” and the losses and damage inflicted by both sides, over a protracted and prolonged period, are immense.

The U.S., U.K. and eastern Europe appear staunch in their position that Russia must not be able to succeed or “win” in Ukraine by carving out (or re-claiming, as Moscow sees it) swathes of territory for itself, saying that could have major global geopolitical repercussions.

They have also been clear that it is Ukraine that must decide if, and when, it wants to negotiate with Russia over a peace deal. For its part, Kyiv has said it is willing to conduct talks but that it has red lines, chiefly, that it is not willing to concede any territory to Russia.

Nonetheless, there appears to be a faction within Europe — namely France, Italy and Germany — that are hoping for a peace deal sooner rather than later.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ukraine
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1 posted on 06/16/2022 3:57:25 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

At the end of the day all sensible fingers will be pointed at the US State Dept.


2 posted on 06/16/2022 4:00:19 AM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with and ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: FarCenter
A European war is not over until Italy changes sides.

3 posted on 06/16/2022 4:02:59 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: FarCenter

Forget Ukraine, they haven’t learned to disengage from Russian oil and gas, and to produce their own.

Because apparently their peoples’ vital security interests are not included in their job descriptions.

And they are leftist lunatics.


4 posted on 06/16/2022 4:03:50 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: FarCenter

“The U.S., U.K. and eastern Europe appear staunch in their position that Russia must not be able to succeed or “win” in Ukraine by carving out (or re-claiming, as Moscow sees it) swathes of territory for itself.”

This is already a done deal based on local reporting in what was parts of Ukraine, so the question is how much territory will Russia gain before the Neocons realize that the longer they force Russia to fight, the more territory Russia will acquire.


5 posted on 06/16/2022 4:09:00 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Chunga85

“At the end of the day all sensible fingers will be pointed at the US State Dept.”

Neocon Central, which is why I keep pointing at them.


6 posted on 06/16/2022 4:10:49 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Chunga85
"At the end of the day all sensible fingers will be pointed at the US State Dept."

Amen to that..!

7 posted on 06/16/2022 4:11:24 AM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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To: Williams
"they are leftist lunatics."

Absolutely, That's why every democrat in town is swooning over Zelenskyy and his nazi horde.

8 posted on 06/16/2022 4:19:16 AM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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To: FarCenter

Russia drops 50,000 artillery rounds on Ukraine every day...


9 posted on 06/16/2022 4:19:17 AM PDT by Does so (https//youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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To: FarCenter

We are dealing with people who have no inkling of how to negotiate a peace, even in the face of a stalemate. Neither side has the power to completely overwhelm the other. Russia may have the weaponry, but lacks the will to fully assert that superiority, and while the Ukraine lacks sufficient weapons, still the valiant stand in the face of privation is continuing to thwart Russian victory.


10 posted on 06/16/2022 4:25:19 AM PDT by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: unread

The Liz Cheney wing of the neocon party, as well.


11 posted on 06/16/2022 4:43:02 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: FarCenter

This was predicted.


12 posted on 06/16/2022 4:55:29 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: FarCenter

Which to believe, Russia is loosing or Russia is winning.


13 posted on 06/16/2022 5:14:14 AM PDT by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence)
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To: FarCenter

The war is not over until the NGOs have pocketed their 10%.


14 posted on 06/16/2022 5:31:53 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The CDC. Brought to you by Pfizer)
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To: FarCenter

It was another bubble-dwelling, ignorant and corrupt DC statist/neocon/globolist plan - it was bound to fail.

How many destructive and failed wars is that now? Who is counting?

By their fruits shall ye know them.

And if you believe this nation, like us individuals, are under God’s judgement, there will be hell to pay.


15 posted on 06/16/2022 6:34:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: FarCenter

So they’re trying to blame Russia for increasing prices on everything?


16 posted on 06/16/2022 6:38:50 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: alloysteel
Russia may have the weaponry, but lacks the will to fully assert that superiority

They don't want to massacre civilians.

17 posted on 06/16/2022 6:40:39 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: alloysteel
Neither side has the power to completely overwhelm the other.

Incorrect, everyday Ukraine loses territory to Russia. Ukraine should immediately call for a cease fire and negotiate with Russia without any preconditions. Screw the neocons in DC, all K is doing now is needlessly killing Ukrainians.

18 posted on 06/16/2022 7:36:50 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: wastedyears
They don't want to massacre civilians.

That was true early on in the war, but now Russia waging a war of annihilation. 50,000 artillery shells per day!

19 posted on 06/16/2022 7:41:06 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Incorrect, everyday Ukraine loses territory to Russia.

Both sides are gaining and losing territory in various areas on a daily basis. It takes time and work, but one can build a consistent picture of the front lines from various twitter accounts. Most of the Russian attacks are still being repelled.
20 posted on 06/16/2022 8:06:15 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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