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Navy censures 5 officers in deadly sinking of amphibious vehicle off San Clemente Island
ABC News ^ | June 14, 2022

Posted on 06/14/2022 11:28:40 AM PDT by American Number 181269513

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Censure letters are put in service members' personnel files and are often career-ending for military officers, usually preventing them from further promotion or other progress.

So sad. Career ending letters of censure for life ending decisions.

1 posted on 06/14/2022 11:28:40 AM PDT by American Number 181269513
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The vehicle - a kind of seafaring tank

Sounds kind of unseaworthy.

2 posted on 06/14/2022 11:32:14 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: American Number 181269513
This old Army guy knows basically nothing about the Navy...but it's easy to see that the sinking of any naval vessel would catch the attention of top brass!
3 posted on 06/14/2022 11:33:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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I assume you use them to storm beaches...like Iwo Jima.


4 posted on 06/14/2022 11:34:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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I live and fish over the ocean. They sent those machines and people out into 25+ knots of wind and big swells. Sent them to their deaths. RIP soldiers.


5 posted on 06/14/2022 11:40:00 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: American Number 181269513

Wonder if they would have fired Ike for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger


6 posted on 06/14/2022 11:43:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I’m guessing from the term, “Tank,” being used that it wasn’t an LCU.

LCUs and LCACs are a pain to park in the welldeck.


7 posted on 06/14/2022 11:44:26 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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They weren’t soldiers.

L


8 posted on 06/14/2022 11:49:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: American Number 181269513

Is this what the military is coming to? A lack of training for personnel, poor vehicle maintenance and poor planning by personnel with stars on their shoulders.


9 posted on 06/14/2022 11:51:18 AM PDT by jimtorr
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Amphibious Assault Vehicle rides low in the water. If you have waves, and water gets in from the top hatch, you get a real problem.


10 posted on 06/14/2022 11:56:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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I just don't get why so many Navy ships and a recent submarine are screwing up so much in the last years. Navy Regulations and Training Manuals are meticulously written, not to mention the Qualifications for Surface Warfare and Submarine Dolphin pins. Does no one study the manuals anymore? There used to be a manual in every department/division for specific operational readiness and procedures.

What the hell is wrong with my Navy? In 11 years being Navy (75-86), I never heard of such incidents, other than small fires that were quickly extinguished by damage control or known as the Flying Squad. Sheesh.

11 posted on 06/14/2022 12:03:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: American Number 181269513

Officers get a “censure letter”
Enlisted get sent to jail.


12 posted on 06/14/2022 12:05:02 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: A Navy Vet

Maybe we reached that point Kerry talked about that if you aren’t smart you join the military.

I can definitely see the military, in its current state is no longer suitable for patriots, so they have to take what they can get.


13 posted on 06/14/2022 12:06:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I assume this vehicle was an LCM (landing craft marine). They look pretty much like a combat tank, but without the big gun turret.
I think they have 2 large Rolls Royce engines, 1 for propulsion and 1 mainly as a water pump. My amphib ship could carry 6 or 8 of these things. We launched several in Okinawa as demo/training back in 1968 or 69, and one sank in fairly shallow water just off the beach. No lives were lost and we did salvage the vehicle. Word was that the pump engine stalled and it sank like a stone.


14 posted on 06/14/2022 12:07:44 PM PDT by ExSafecracker (. . . FJB . . .)
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you live on the ocean? Houseboat? or other?

I am thinking of buying a large catamaran and living on it.


15 posted on 06/14/2022 12:29:50 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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“We launched several in Okinawa as demo/training back in 1968 or 69”

My Dad did some amphibious landing training on Okinawa in 1945. What a coincidence. :)


16 posted on 06/14/2022 12:31:56 PM PDT by dljordan
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“Officers get a “censure letter”
Enlisted get sent to jail.”

So very True.

Remember when a US Submarine sank a Japanese fishing boat killing all on board and damaging the sub? The commander was forced to retire.

Remember when an enlisted sailor snapped a picture inside a boat and went to jail, and was pardoned by Pres. Trump.


17 posted on 06/14/2022 12:37:09 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: A Navy Vet

So did you hear about the report on the bottom-beaching of the sub USS Connecticut. Part of the problem had something to do with “humanitarian evacuations” and some of the trouble was related to a bedbug infestation? Before your time I used to build this stuff and helped write some of those rules. The stupid stuff happening lately is eye-bulging.


18 posted on 06/14/2022 1:07:43 PM PDT by OldWarBaby
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To: ExSafecracker

I think the article was referring to the AAV-7/LVTP-7. It didn’t explicitly name the vehicle but my recollection was that one of those foundered off the west coast last year. The LCM that I recall was essentially a big “Higgins Boat” for vehicles.


19 posted on 06/14/2022 1:10:00 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: American Number 181269513
This news item has been covered here in the past, and it's not what people might tend to believe it is.

The craft sank over a period of almost 45 minutes; any failures in this particular case were at the small-unit (NCO) level. (There were Marines in the troop compartment FAR past the point where it was safe to remain there,)

20 posted on 06/14/2022 1:11:44 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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