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Senate negotiators reach framework deal on bipartisan gun package
CNBC ^ | Jun 12 2022 | Sahil Kapur, Frank Thorp V, Josh Lederman and Yamiche Alcindor

Posted on 06/12/2022 8:59:32 AM PDT by Pollard

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To: Houserino

“Havenโ€™t really seen them (GOA) do any more than the NRA either.”

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You might want to get on their email list.


101 posted on 06/12/2022 12:16:37 PM PDT by nralife (Proud Boomer Rube)
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To: William Tell

I mean, you’re either in favor of some regulation of firearms, or you’re in favor of absolutely no regulation. If you’re in favor of no regulation, that means you’re in favor of:

- Felons being able to purchase and carry guns.
- Anyone being able to purchase fully automatic weapons (which used to be the case in our country).
- Minors, even 5-year olds, being able to purchase firearms.

I’m not in favor of any of the things above, which necessarily means I’m in favor of some gun regulation. If you are, I certainly respect your opinion, but I disagree with you.


102 posted on 06/12/2022 12:19:38 PM PDT by PATed
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To: ConservativeInPA

Grow up and knock of the name calling when another FReeper does not agree precisely with what you do.

Do better.


103 posted on 06/12/2022 12:20:17 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yes, but red flag laws are needed. It will be up to us and future generations to ensure it does not get abused.

It will be abused. My father is completely brainwashed. He truly believes a gun is capable of running around the house on its own and killing you in your sleep.

If he knew I owned guns he would immediately try to Red Flag me because he would be convinced his grandchildren would be slaughtered if he didn't.

Nothing will change his mind. He's starting to lose it, but he's not as bad a Biden yet. One phone call and my life would become hell.

104 posted on 06/12/2022 12:22:48 PM PDT by alephnull (Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a cult of death.)
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To: PATed; flamberge

>> You are okay with a 13-year old...

13 YOs aren’t sent off to war.

Find a better analogy.


105 posted on 06/12/2022 12:52:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rktman

There is very little the local Texas party can do to a senator, even if it has the will to do anything (which is doubtful).

He does need to be censured.

Perhaps strip him of all support from the local party; make it where he can’t fund raise in the state.


106 posted on 06/12/2022 1:02:28 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: Cboldt

Man that is sure the truth.


107 posted on 06/12/2022 1:12:15 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: PATed

If a 13 yr old has the money to do that.

https://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html

IF you have the money and your locale has no prohibitions, you too can have one. ๐Ÿ˜


108 posted on 06/12/2022 1:15:00 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? ๐Ÿ˜•)
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To: Gene Eric

It’s a fine analogy.

Currently, it’s illegal for a 13 year old to buy a firearm.

That law is a regulation of firearms - there is no argument that it isn’t.

You’re either in favor or opposed to that law regulating firearms - it’s a yes/no question.

If you support a law that says it’s illegal for a 13-year old to buy a firearm, you support at least some regulation of firearms, like I do.


109 posted on 06/12/2022 1:16:59 PM PDT by PATed
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To: Pollard
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

That is still the law of the land. Trespassing is a crime.
Trespassing on rights is a crime against humanity.

110 posted on 06/12/2022 1:17:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Shall not be infringed!)
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To: rktman

I understand that grandfathered fully automatic firearms can still be purchased through the NFA process.

My point was that it’s currently illegal to sell private people brand new fully-automatic weapons (i.e., a fully-automatic firearm that was manufactured in 2022). It’s also illegal for a 13-year old to buy a firearm.

I support both of those laws even though I’m a strong Second Amendment defender and believe all law-abiding adults of sound mind should be able to carry concealed or open firearms. It’s not a zero-sum game.


111 posted on 06/12/2022 1:20:29 PM PDT by PATed
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To: PATed

Your straw man arguments are a tired old saw of the anti-gun left. Stuff it!


112 posted on 06/12/2022 1:21:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Shall not be infringed!)
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To: TigersEye

They’re not strawman arguments, I’m not anti-gun and I’m not left. But no one seems to want to actually respond, just throw around insults. Your choice, have a nice day.


113 posted on 06/12/2022 1:32:29 PM PDT by PATed
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To: PATed
Felons have lost their rights by due process.

Minors have very restricted rights because they are minors. That's why they can't participate in contracts, can't vote, can't make legal decisions for themselves and a variety of other things without permission from a parent or legal guardian.

Tired leftist straw man arguments are null and void.

114 posted on 06/12/2022 1:39:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Shall not be infringed!)
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To: PATed

You are also a liar. And not a good one.


115 posted on 06/12/2022 1:46:27 PM PDT by sport
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To: TigersEye

All true, but the laws I mentioned are restrictions on firearms, not the other way around.

It’s legal for a felon to buy a new TV at Best Buy. But the felon can’t buy a firearm.

It’s legal for a minor to buy a bag of candy at a gas station. But the minor can’t buy a firearm.

The restrictions are firearm-specific and are therefore firearm regulations. I support these regulations, and I also support the right of law-abiding adults to buy and carry firearm.


116 posted on 06/12/2022 1:53:38 PM PDT by PATed
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To: alephnull

That’s not how red flag laws work ANYWHERE.

Florida has the most used Red Flag law in the nation (It’s been used about 9000 times since it was enacted, in a State with 21 million people and in a State with A LOT of gun owners.)

Read through how it works:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.401.html

It isn’t as simple as someone making a phone call and saying that you have guns.

That doesn’t mean that these things are good or should be enacted, but the caricature version of these laws that people envision are simply fantasy.


117 posted on 06/12/2022 1:54:27 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: sport

I don’t think trading insults is productive, so I will simply wish you good day.


118 posted on 06/12/2022 1:55:03 PM PDT by PATed
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To: TexasGurl24
Yet again, media and politicians have refused to focus on the obvious profile of a particular kind of young men. Such young men (Dark Triad) avoid proper psychological evaluations with their mothers' help. More ex-husbands/boyfriends struggling to make a living will be disarmed instead. Not all such men are criminals, and many will continue to work towards having property and influence.

Anarchist behaviors and influence will become more popular in every line of work including those involving security. We're seeing a trend towards a more brutal version of Havel's "nonpolitical politics"... The fantasy that ingenuity can be weeded out of these western culture populations to insure increased control is an error.

Another very related and widespread error:

Some FRIENDLY HR ADVICE...
https://nitter.net/yanbrandcom/status/1533958571905499136#m

119 posted on 06/12/2022 1:57:27 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: alephnull

Same. My parents are in the early stages of dementia. My mother is particular has become a paranoid lunatic who think that conservatives are nazis (means it literally). I know my mother will “red flag” me if she hears about it. She won’t even consider that most of these will result in the murder of everyone in a household. Cops will do midnight raids, amped up to the hilt and ready to shoot anything that makes a squeek.


120 posted on 06/12/2022 2:04:01 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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