Posted on 06/10/2022 6:06:01 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Bad law is bad law
Trying to find out the procedure here.
Is it the voter who is supposed to put the date on the outside of the envelope?
And if they don't then how do we know that they have submitted their ballot on time?
So then there is a purpose to the legal requirement, it documents the submission date.
It looks like the next 2 yrs are going to be bumper years for harvesting ballots.
It’s nice to know Republicans can still only pick a conservative justice about fifty percent of the time. Kavinaugh was neutered in his hearings. ACB was always a risk. I was one of the few here saying no.
Vote is supposed to date it and the postmark is supposed to confirm on time delivery. In this way they would validate one another
Looks like to me that BOTH the voter signature and the postmark are needed to validate the vote.
Perhaps in theory it does. But it really doesn't.
1. The statute doesn't specify that the date to be filled out on the envelope is the date the envelope it is sealed. Apparently, any date will do.
2. There's no way in hell to verify that the date written on the envelope is the date it was actually written.
3. The verification of the submission date is one or both of these dates: (A) the postmark; and/or (B) the date it is received at the election office. If I receive a letter in today's mail, it's ludicrous for anyone to suggest that it's remotely possible it was mailed next week.
Usually, vaguely written bills are a bipartisan effort. E.g. a Governor’s “Emergency Powers”!
Say, isn't the signature, date, and location part of your statement that you made out the ballot and are identifying yourself with your signature under penalty of perjury?
It's no surprise the liberal JustUs came up with the wrong decision.
I do like changing the rules midstream.
“And if they don’t then how do we know that they have submitted their ballot on time?”
Well, the law requires the ballot be received on or before election day. That is actually received, not just postmarked. That hasn’t changed.
The law apparently allows the voter to write any random date they want on the ballot. How does letting the voter write in ‘July 4 1776’, for example, verify when the voter filled out the ballot?
How do we know when any voter actually filled out a ballot? Just because they fill in a date doesn’t prove anything.
A dated ballot can prevent the vote counters from cheating.
The law apparently allows the voter to write any random date they want on the ballot. How does letting the voter write in ‘July 4 1776’, for example, verify when the voter filled out the ballot?
I don't see that in the election code, can you cite that clause in the law that allows false dates?
How do we know when any voter actually filled out a ballot? Just because they fill in a date doesn’t prove anything.
I would imagine there are perjury penalties for forging a signature and/or date. You think that we should just jettison such requirements?
That's if you, honest AC, received the letter. The same can not be said for the potentially dishonest mail receiver and vote counter.
1. The statute doesn't specify that the date to be filled out on the envelope is the date the envelope it is sealed. Apparently, any date will do.
Citation please.
2. There's no way in hell to verify that the date written on the envelope is the date it was actually written.
There a cases where people actually put an accurate disqualifying date. Should we do away with dating signatures?
Yep, can't steal elections without them.
I agree entirely that secret ballots are important. That said, the randomly generated alphanumeric codes would NOT identify individuals. They would be randomly generated at the time you receive the ballot, seen by no one but you, and you would write the code on the ballot and on a piece of paper only you would have. It could not be traced to you. The only purpose would be for you to be able to verify that the vote counted for that alphanumeric code was the vote you cast.
Another way to do it would be to require people to vote twice, once into the machines that would be counted as usual, and the other would be into a separate machine/ballot box that would be counted separately (by different people). If the vote totals between the two didn't add up, it would raise a red flag.
I see where you’re going but I also see problems.
What happens if you check the database and see your vote was recorded for the wrong candidate? What’s the remedy?
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