Ukraine has created a special camp for Russian prisoners of war

https://censor.net/ua/n3346246 ^ | 06.06.22 09:50 | Denis Malyuska

[DIRTYSECRET]

*They should not be taking prisoners. You have to guard and sustain them, at a cost to your own manpower and supplies.* German prisoners in WW2 were sent to the gulags never to be heard from again. Some would suggest Americans could have suffered the same fate in Viet Nam.

Think Malady or better yet Abr Ghraib.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

Stop your propaganda: Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014

[whitney69]

The US did the same thing during our civil war. It was called Andersonville.

wy69

[CarolinaReaganFan]

you’re right
the daily Mail worms are sure out in this thread.

[Does so]

You don’t think Putin wants to rebuild “The Evil Empire”?

[norsky]

You don’t think Putin wants to rebuild “The Evil Empire”?

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Well if so, then we will have 2 evil empires. Globalist cabal looks like they ain't gonna git it all.

[norsky]

Stop your propaganda: Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014

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What nonsense. They had their puppet in there, we helped overthrow their government with the help of the various neo nazi factions, and that is a fact. We started the war, we poured billions into that country to draw Russia into war. We got what we asked for. Totally dishonest thread here.

[Blood of Tyrants]

There’s reports that Truman abandoned thousands of German-held Allied pows that Russia “liberated “ after WWII.

[Owen]

Doesn’t sound right. The Dolittle raid is often pointed at as a miracle of organization. It’s 5 months after Pearl Harbor. Dolittle went in to the War Dept and pitched the idea. It took months to train B25 crews to fly off a carrier.

I don’t think 5 months is the right time frame for there to be an established advocacy for flying from Vladivostok fields, or any sort of diplomatic focus on that. The Germans invaded the Soviets in June 1941. THAT was all that was on their minds. The Germans were advancing. They would not be giving a damn about bombing or helping someone bomb Japan. Besides which, that would be a State Dept thing, not military intelligence.

Bottom line. They probably were spies and the Soviets knew it.

[wgmalabama]

I did NoSee the people demanding forced labor camps cheering from the USA.

[delta7]

We should believe Ukrainian websites?
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Correct, but the issue is flawed. Non western MSM media reports Russia has between 5,000-9,000 Ukie POW’s, the Ukies less than 1,000 Ivan’s.

Who to believe? Well, Ivan has 3,500 Ukies from Marioupol alone. Many reports of the Ukie Terriitorial Guards surrendering in the Donbass.

Time will tell.

[Cathi]

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975823290216448

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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/03/testimony-mariupol-hospital-ukrainian-deceptions-media-malpractice/

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1510871011025117184

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[ought-six]

“There’s reports that Truman abandoned thousands of German-held Allied pows that Russia “liberated “ after WWII.”

I don’t think that is true in the numbers you cited. I recall reading several years ago that there were some US POWs that were executed by the Soviets, and some others chose to stay in the USSR, but the vast majority were repatriated back to the US.

Here is a portion of a Baltimore Sun article that addresses this somewhat:

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* Soviet authorities detained 119 U.S. servicemen “with Russian, Ukrainian or Jewish names” from the more than 22,000 GIs they liberated from German POW camps at the end of World War II. Although most were released after U.S. protests, 18 died in Soviet custody and “some ended up staying in camps for a long time.”

* The largest group of Americans imprisoned in the Soviet Union included more than 730 pilots and other airmen who either made “forced landings on Soviet territory” or were shot down on Cold War spy flights. Mr. Volkogonov was not specific on their fates but spoke generally about prisoners’ being interned in labor camps, some being executed and others forced to eventually renounce their U.S. citizenship.

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In any event, Russia is not and never has been our friend.

[ought-six]

I said both scenarios were plausible.

Personally, I think the crew crash landed near Vladivostok and the Russians being who they are imprisoned them as spies.

[NorseViking]

And yet all the evidence of torture comes from the Ukrainian videos and the Russians are registering the Ukrainian captives with the Red Cross and allow international access to them.

[Rebelbase]

UKEs could save money adopting the Wild in the Streets Paradise Camps method.

https://youtu.be/wRNKmje-Abs

[MalPearce]

“We should believe Ukrainian websites?” --> “They are no less reliable than Russian websites.”

Agencies with boots on the ground can give statistics that are meaningful. Agencies with no boots on the ground, and no statistics to offer, are unreliable witnesses. If you refuse to trust in ANY of those agencies on the ground who can collect stats, but will trust implicitly any old random internet nut who plucks figures out of thin air and won't tell you where they come from, then what is the point of truth?

Example:

Even the Donbas People's Republic's own curator of wartime casualty statistics has confirmed, the civil war more or less ended in 2019. And yet we CONSTANTLY get this message from the pro-Russian camp, that there was still a genocide going on in January.

Why do they say that? Because Putin says so, and so does his TV station, and so does Lavrov. Have any of them EVER provided any proof? No. Have they even SAID they have proof? Again, no. Sound familiar? It's FAKE NEWS. It's as fake as some of the accusations from the Trump-bashing playbook. Why do we need evidence, we gotta be right.

This is a link to the DPR's OFFICIAL publication of its casualty statistics. Relevant document is the first PDF titled: "ДОКЛАД УПОЛНОМОЧЕННОГО ПО ПРАВАМ ЧЕЛОВЕКА В ДОНЕЦКОЙ НАРОДНОЙ РЕСПУБЛИКЕ ЗА 2020 ГОД".

Inside the PDF, scroll down to page 22. The DPR numbers for 2018 to 2020 are 154, 160 and 44.

The below image is taken from the official verified statistics as documented by the UN. You can easily grab those from any English language source, as they are in the public domain and are considered to be the "agreed facts".



So you can literally compare (possibly understated) UN numbers to (possibly overstated) DPR numbers, side by side. In fact, there isn't a single official statistical source from ANYWHERE - and I'm including the DPR, LPR, Russia, Ukraine, the EU monitors, the UN monitors, or any humanitarian NGO - which has collected casualty numbers from January 2019 to January 2022 AND posted a higher civilian death count above 44 for any year after 2020.

Even if it was 50 people a year, for three years straight, that isn't a sodding genocide. Not by ANY sane definition. But people fall for this regurgitated bullshit time and time again.

A lie often repeated can become truth only if you let it. None of us are immune to propaganda, or confirmation bias, and sometimes people accept as truth something that they must surely know is fundamentally, demonstrably false in order to further a completely different rhetorical argument.

But some people are willing to point repeatedly to a nonexistent fake genocide purely to make the argument that a far more well-evidenced REAL genocide isn't happening.

And there's at least one poster I've butted heads with here on FR, who appears to be doing exactly that just because he's so totally pissed off about what happened to Donald Trump that he's justifying any and all levels of Russian destruction and brutality in Ukraine because, in effect, "GOOD, that'll teach the libtards a lesson."