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To: bert

I believe you have that backwards. LOL

Lying about winning is not the same as winning. The truth matters in the real world.


74 posted on 06/05/2022 5:22:25 AM PDT by dforest (We have to put a stop to this now.)
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To: dforest

The truth matters in the real world.
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You tube video of the Brits creating and filming Ukie propaganda, Ukies dressed in Russian uniforms, using captured Z marked equipment, etc……the truth is slowly emerging.

https://youtu.be/f0lwI8UbHug


76 posted on 06/05/2022 5:51:28 AM PDT by delta7
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To: dforest

-—Lying about winning is not the same as winning.-—

The difference is of scale. It can not be denied that the Russian effort militarily has been rebuffed in total in the north and partially elsewhere.

But......You have missed my point

The reality is the West has turned against Russia. (France as always is wish washy but generally opposed) Oil sales have cratered. The sanctions are devouring the Russian economy. All western businesses have pretty much left. Store shelves are bare. There is talk from Russia that is very derogatory of Putin and his war. The Russian position in Syria is degraded, perhaps terminally.

So, although there is no military destruction within Russia apart from many strategic fires of unknown origin, Mother Russia is seriously ill and incapacitated internationally.

When active war dies down, the insistence for Reparations to Ukraine will reach crescendo. Europe will then own Russia for at least one and possibly more decades.

By winning, Russia is lost.

Setting Mother Russia aside, there is the issue of Vladimir Putin to consider. Like Hillary, Vlad is rumored to be seriously ill. By Russian standards he is an old man. He’ll soon be 70. Where there is illness smoke, there must be some fire.

There are real announcements by real people of substance with the direct implication of Putin disfavor. When saying Russia is in economic distress, what that means is the Oligarchs who are directly sanctioned and who have lost all of their mega yachts are in terminal distress. Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine destroyed their wealth. What they had is just poof......gone

So in summary, Ukraine can be rebuilt as a member of the European Union. Russia is a pariah and plagued with paying the bills while suffering from the fact that she is incompetent and destitute.


78 posted on 06/05/2022 6:18:53 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: dforest; wastedyears

The point I’m trying to make is that in the war with Ukraine, Russia is the loser. Russia is losing in a very big and historically irreversible way. Below are articles supporting that thought

You shun the perceived American MSM bias and I do also. I read international news from the Jerusalem Post and Al Jazeera. Both provide what seems to be fairly sourced and unbiased presentation of world events

Russia will never be the same and is weakened severely as a factor in the real world. In historical fact, Europe has turned against Russia.

Al Jazeera reports that pretty much all if not actually all, of Europe is providing some sort of military support to Ukraine. Europe has decided that Russia must be trashed.

“Weapons to Ukraine: Which countries sent what?”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/5/weapons-to-ukraine-which-countries-sent-what

And then today there is a report in the Jerusalem Post of that NATO European support for Ukraine expanding to include Japan, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea. These four Pacific Rim nations are invited to attend a NATO summit.

“Japan’s Kishida considers joining NATO summit”

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-708598

So, bottom line, it seems the world that matters is deciding that Ukraine must be defended and further, how badly Russia must be punished for the costly destruction of Ukraine


87 posted on 06/06/2022 5:47:57 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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