Posted on 06/04/2022 6:44:54 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
You compared Russia to Germany by invoking The Treaty of Versailles. That comparison casts Russia as the loser. Losers pay a price. So, what price should they pay?
it is speculated that the severity of reserves theft and sanctions right out of the gate was intended to prevent russia from politically being able to back off quickly. at that point they were already paying 300 billion USD + so they weren’t going to back down.
obviously it has become clear we had significant integration with the ukraine military (or are simply running some aspects of it, cyberwarefare, air defences, etc). we are bragging quite a bit about it, possibly to goad russia into finally giving the west something to justify open military intervention. it is somewhat ironic that to the observant, it makes russia’s point about ukraine becoming a pro-western militarized state, nato or not.
Joe Biden’s incompetent foreign policy led to this debacle. Trump could have solved this problem between holes of golf.
It’s going to end when Russia decides it has had enough of Ukraine to feel comfortable with their position that when it’s understood that when they say no more incursion of NATO into former Soviet States,they mean it.
Joe Biden is bumbling his way into WWIII.
The are way below our body count over the last 2 decades.
We have been murdering innocent people who’s only crime was to be in a country run by someone not on our list of preferred dictators.
I actually don’t think russia will lose, unless we all do.
Do you think any european country ‘won’ world war 1?
“Macron wants a surrender deal before Putin croaks from cancer.”
Which would be VERY SMART, considering none of Putin’s possible replacements is a moderate like him, as they all want to level Kiev at this point.
“I will observe that I have not seen TV news in decades, so it may be I haven’t gotten the ‘proper’ perspective.”
Yes, you need to watch NBC News to get your information, like the Neocons here do, and then come back and lecture us as to why WW3 is a REALLY GOOD idea.
I think eventually, there'll be a ceasefire. Russia will remain a pariah nation. So let's see who's the leader who gets to replace Putin. If they have a new leader who looks to the West, they'll probably withdraw from luhansk and donbass in return to normalcy with the West. Crimea is probaby Russian though. Probably will have to consent to reparations though. 25% tax on Russian oil exports for 20 years in return for international recognization of Crimea as a province in the Russian federation. The UN will probably send peacekeepers to luhansk and donbass.
All of this depends on whether the Oligarchs get to back their man and he gets in power in the Kremlin. It could easily go into other direction where a Russian nationalist gains power and Russia continues to isolate itself for another generation. Sort of like North Korea.
You’re gonna make put feel bad
These are tough days for Bidenista warmongers aren’t they?
Russia could take a large portion of Ukraine and still lose their country over the next decade.
Their going to appease him with it. They could have done that in the first place & kept the peace & saved lives.
Ukraine has killed over 14,000 of their Russian speaking citizens over the last decade in a slow burning civil war in the Donbas. At this point Ukraine will be lucky to keep a Black Sea port of any kind. Russia is systematically cutting them off & making them a landlocked country.
Allowing the Russian speaking majority in Donbas to rejoin Russia was always going to happen. Biden has bumbled into making it an extended bloody affair that will kill tens of thousands & see Russia in control of the entire Northern Coast of the Black Sea.
Biden is more than happy to fight for Ukraine till the last Ukrainian is dead.
Russia is mostly digging in to keep what they’ve stolen. Most of which was in the first few weeks. Meanwhile, they’ll keep burning Ukrainian books, stealing everything and deporting Ukrainians to Siberia. This is classical Russian colonization, Russification and banditry on display here.
There is nothing Europe has that China doesn’t already produce. Add in 1 billion people in India thirsty for raw materials and its clear to all but those stuck in the old world order that Russia has broken from Europe/USA
Western Europe will be the ones begging by fall. No modern economies can sustain the inflationary squeeze coming and that includes this country with 6 dollar diesel and blackouts on the horizon
People remember humiliation for a long long time.
It’s important to let Putin get out without losing face too much.
Biden also talking surrender deal all of a sudden after Putin’s “successful” cancer surgery a few weeks ago.
“Biden also talking surrender deal all of a sudden after Putin’s “successful” cancer surgery a few weeks ago.”
He should...before it’s lights out in Kiev.
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