"Sorry, comrade!" 
Posted on 06/03/2022 2:20:40 AM PDT by Mount Athos
"Sorry, comrade!"
Actually, most Russian artillery is shorter ranged than the Western howitzers Ukraine is now receiving and far less accurate. The other Ukrainian artillery is essentially identical to the Russian equipment. The main problem for the Ukrainians is that the Russians have more of it.
But we are 'escalating' the situation with a few drones.
You do know how stupid the 'escalation' claim looks, right?
#42. The “Quantity has a quality of its own” approach.
You are confusing statehood with national identity. Ukraine was not an independent state until 1917 but there was a recognized Ukrainian people earlier. They were recognized as such under both Polish and Russian rule. There were also a number of revolts and attempts at independence. The most notable being Cossack Hetmanate or Zaporizhian Host in the 17th century.
As for a map, here is one of Ukraine according to Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which was signed by the Bolshevik government of Russia in 1918:
Ukraine declared independence from Russia on November 20, 1917. Did they exercise full control over all of the lands that they claimed? No. But we count our independence from July 4, 1776; not from the date that we gained full control over all of our territory.
Of course Ukraine was not independent under the Soviet Union, but it was recognized as a separate state from Russia and, theoretically, had the right to secede. It was on the basis of this theoretical constitutional right that Ukraine declared independence in 1991. Even Putin recognizes that Ukraine had this right under the constitution of the Soviet Union, although he regrets it, saying that it was a mistake of Lenin to grant it.
Which rather ignores that Stalin deported the local Tatars population to Siberia during his rule. So the people there weren’t ethnic Russians, and your trivia doesn’t account for the ethnic determination of peoples that became important after WWI.
Yes the term “Ukrainian” is of latter origin and is now applied to what were formerly known as Ruthenians. Nevertheless, the people occupying what is now called Ukraine have seen themselves as separate from both the Poles and the Russians. That they were once called Ruthenians and are now called Ukrainians is inconsequential.
And we deported the Native American Indians from the Southeast so White Europeans could move in. “Trail of Tears” ring a bell?
I could give examples from every century and every continent save Antarctica.
Hell, we just plain out and out stole Hawaii from the Hawaiians in 1898, based on “Manifest Destiny.” Hawaiians, who had been there a thousand years before Captain Cook, with their own language, culture and government.
Do you support immediately turning Hawaii back over to the Hawaiians?
It was ever thus. Your point is? Reparations from Cro-Magnons to Neandertals, based on % of DNA?
You so funny.
In the 1980s, the Florida Keys declared independence from Florida and the USA, calling itself The Conch Republic.
The Conchs even had a flag, and a "national border checkpoint!
Was the Conch Republic recognized by the Russian government in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk?
We should give Ukraine M-1 Abrams tanks, and F-16s piloted by and maintained by Polish crews volunteering as Ukrainian mercenaries. And to prevent pfilering US crews would deliver directly to the front.
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