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To: Pollard

I personally have no interest in planting a garden. I have planted and grown as many as 6 tomato plants. Nothing larger than that. I have 12 acres. SO, no shortage of land.
I just do not see the ROI. I have done that with fruit trees and blueberry bushes. They will pay for themselves hopefully by the time I am dead.

I believe this is the next best thing other than buying locally grown food at the farmers markets. It is certainly better than buying food grown thousands of miles away. If you believe in the carbon footprint, it is a heck of a lot better than something grown in Chile.


94 posted on 06/02/2022 7:07:57 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963
If you believe in the carbon footprint, it is a heck of a lot better than something grown in Chile.

It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the government, globalists and large corporations think. Funny thing; I went to Shop N Save yesterday and with that trip, I drive by hundreds if not thousands of head of beef cattle. All the beef at Shop N Save was from Mexico. Regardless of "sustainability", I just think that's stupid, inefficient and wasteful.

Gardening/farming is certainly not for everyone. It's a lot of work for one thing and on top of that, takes a ton of planning to produce enough to feed many families. Eating styles would have to change too. No fresh tomatoes in January in the Northern states for instance.

Those Northern states seem to be where high tech vertical farming is biggest and while they all claim to be run on 100% renewables, that doesn't take into account that all that high tech equipment was likely not manufactured in facilities that run off of "renewables". Was the steel and aluminum mined with with solar/wind power? Are solar panel and turbine manufacturers run off solar/wind? Are those raw materials mined, processed, manufactured and distributed with solar/wind?

Those latter two items are the real test of sustainability. Show me every step from mining raw materials to distribution of completed solar/wind running off of solar/wind.

Unless every part of every process, including the building of facilities and all equipment and transportation can be run on solar/wind, zero carbon footprint or 100% renewables is a farce. We'll run out of raw materials long before we even get close to that and then things will collapse. Meanwhile, The Powers That Be keep us heading in that direction. That's why I think there needs to be a renaissance of small farms that utilize low tech season extension techniques like high tunnels, low tunnels, row covers, greenhouses. That's what most market gardeners are doing and while they may not have tomatoes in January, they can grow cold weather crops like lettuce, peas and various greens.

Meat is easy. Cattle can stand outdoors in 20 below with snow falling on them. Of course they want to outlaw cattle and make lab grown meat in high tech sterile environments that are likely not "sustainable". It's all about money and control. I giant transfer of food systems and large chunk of the economy to the techies.

101 posted on 06/02/2022 7:47:00 AM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

If you live near where you can easily get to a good local farmer’s market, not doing your own garden can work.

For us, there might be a few roadside veggie stands, but no farmer’s market with8n decent driving distance. Besides, I like to garden.

I have decided to plant raspberry and blackberry bushes. We have so many deer, that I figured fruit trees would be out of the question. For blueberries, we can go pick what we want near Newport. There’s a big blueberry farm there.


106 posted on 06/02/2022 7:56:13 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I just do not see the ROI.
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As I tell anyone who uses that argument: we still have abundant, if expensive, food available. The storage/preservation prepping is for when there is nothing available.


118 posted on 06/02/2022 11:12:40 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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