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The EU should forget about sanctions – they’re doing more harm than good
The Guardian ^ | 30 May 2022 | Simon Jenkins

Posted on 06/01/2022 1:28:01 AM PDT by Mount Athos

Six million households in Britain face the possibility of morning and evening blackouts this winter to maintain sanctions against Russia, as do consumers across Europe.

This is despite Europe pouring about $1bn a day into Russia to pay for the gas and oil it continues to consume. This seems crazy. Proposals by the EU to halt the payments are understandably being opposed by countries close to Russia and heavily dependent on its fossil fuels; Germany buys 12% of its oil and 35% of its gas from Russia, figures that are much higher in Hungary.

The EU in Brussels seems not to know what to do. The real reason is that arguments over the sanctions weapon have been reduced to macho rhetoric. They are supposed to induce a foreign regime to change some unacceptable policy. This rarely if ever happens, and in Russia’s case it has blatantly failed.

Sanctions may have harmed Russia’s credit-worthiness, but the 70% surge in world gas prices alone has supercharged its balance of payments. Its current account trade surplus, according to its central bank, is now over three times the pre-invasion level. At the same time, sanctions are clearly hurting countries in western and central Europe who are imposing them.

It is absurd to expect Hungary to starve itself of energy and, as it says, “nuclear bomb” its economy, with no fixed objective or timetable in sight.

Millions of innocent people across Europe and far from its shores will suffer as food and energy prices soar. Supply lines are disrupted. Trade links collapse. The victims are overwhelmingly the poor.

The harm done to the rest of Europe and the outside world is now glaring.

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1 posted on 06/01/2022 1:28:01 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Like a child holding its breath to get their way, the EU and the US has discovered that Russia doesn’t care.

The only question is, do our leaders care about the people who are REALLY being hurt? Apparently, not yet.

Now they want to start war crimes tribunals. Shouldn’t that be decided by whoever is the ‘winner’?


2 posted on 06/01/2022 1:43:07 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Mount Athos

The Guardian (like all hard leftist media outfits) were controlled by the Soviets, lock, stock, and barrel. All those Soviet agents of influence didn’t magically retired when the Soviet Union broke up.


3 posted on 06/01/2022 2:00:22 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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"The Guardian (like all hard leftist media outfits) were controlled by the Soviets, lock, stock, and barrel. All those Soviet agents of influence didn’t magically retired when the Soviet Union broke up."

You make me laugh. The Guardian has been one of the bigger cheerleaders for the stupid attempt take down Russia because Pootie Poot isn't adhering to the ideals of communism and the former Soviet Union. Its is neocons leftists that look stupid, with egg all over their face, as they crater our economy attempting to hurt Russia.

4 posted on 06/01/2022 2:33:20 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Mount Athos

Most nations are not participating in the sanctions on Russia, so while the US & EU drove up oil prices with their threat of sanctions, Russian oil output is virtually unchanged, but selling at twice the price it was pre-war.

In essence, the EU & US helped Russia fund their war effort.


5 posted on 06/01/2022 2:40:41 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: BiglyCommentary

I think you have it backwards. Compare countries like the U.S. and Great Britain today to the 1980s. They look more like the 1980s-era Soviet Union than a 1980s-era USA or UK.


6 posted on 06/01/2022 2:51:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: Mount Athos

By all means trade with the enemy. Then they will become like us. /kumbaya


7 posted on 06/01/2022 2:56:07 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Mount Athos
Energy (oil, natural gas, electricity) is a global commodity.

Every nation requires energy.

Some countries have the natural resources to meet their energy needs and can produce excess energy for export. A lot of nations don't have the resources to meet their energy needs and must import.

The golden rule (He who has the gold gets to make the rule) applies.

There is only one way for the U.S. and the E.U. to sanction Russia. Both have to become energy independent.

The U.S. and the E.U. have the natural resources to be energy independent.

The U.S. should unleash the oil industry and the E.U. should resume "clean" coal. Both should resume nuclear power. Windmills and solar panels are not the solution.

The problem is...none of this will happen because the greenies have too much power (control).

8 posted on 06/01/2022 3:10:36 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: Mount Athos

The sanctions have always been a joke.


9 posted on 06/01/2022 3:14:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Russian oil output is virtually unchanged,”

Why do you guys keep repeating that? The head Russian official directly refutes that. He said oil output will be DOWN 8% this year. And that is probably a very rosy number. Is he a western media disinformation agent?


10 posted on 06/01/2022 3:19:55 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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Russian oil output is falling, and US oil out is ramping up.

"Permian oil production growth is set to outpace OPEC heavyweight Iraq this year and next as demand for oil surges on historically tight supply, Rystad Energy research shows. Total oil output from the Permian, including both conventional and unconventional, is forecast to grow by almost 1 million barrels per day (bpd) this year, jumping from 4.7 million to 5.6 million bpd, before climbing further to around 6.5 million bpd in 2023."

"In 2023, the Permian is on track to account for about half of all US oil output of 13.2 million bpd, up from about 42% in 2021."

11 posted on 06/01/2022 3:27:14 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Mount Athos

I’d like to take this opportunity to remind everybody once again, that they can all thank Gaia worship for this.

If the nuclear power plants had not been shut down - and more been built, if they could frack on their own land, if they had built some spare storage capacity, if they had not shut down the coal fired power plants and halted coal mining, they would not be nearly so dependent on Russia for their energy needs.

But they were determined to sacrifice to Gaia so now here they are. This is a problem entirely of their own making.


12 posted on 06/01/2022 3:34:11 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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13 posted on 06/01/2022 3:39:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BiglyCommentary
Total oil output from the Permian, including both conventional and unconventional, is forecast to grow by almost 1 million barrels per day (bpd) this year...

Great news for Texas and New Mexico, however this only tells part of the story.

For the rest of the story, we would have to know the the forecast for global demand increase in 2023 and the forecast for total US oil output for 2023.

My guess is that global demand will increase while total US oil output will remain static.

While Russia's oil output will decrease, they will still continue to export some oil and gas.

14 posted on 06/01/2022 3:51:00 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: Mount Athos

“The EU should forget about sanctions – they’re doing more harm than good”

Russia is in the process of giving the Neocons a SPANKING whether they like it or not.


15 posted on 06/01/2022 4:02:22 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Mount Athos

Like I always say, the EU attempting to ‘punish’ Russia with sanctions is equivalent to a 2 year old trying to physically ‘punish’ his parents. Simply not possible.

It didn’t have to be this way, but Europe made decisions over the past few decades that got them to where they are, and they RIDICULED people (as in Trump) who warned them as to what would be the result and to told them to get their act together and especially told them to STOP listening to Greta.


16 posted on 06/01/2022 4:07:59 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: BiglyCommentary
Why do you guys keep repeating that? The head Russian official directly refutes that. He said oil output will be DOWN 8% this year. And that is probably a very rosy number. Is he a western media disinformation agent?

While you cling to a forecast, we are looking at actual production numbers since the start of the year. Russian oil production and export has not slowed yet, despite the forecast you cling to.

17 posted on 06/01/2022 4:13:44 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: BiglyCommentary

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303551/russia-s-monthly-crude-oil-production/


18 posted on 06/01/2022 4:22:18 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Did you notice the big drop in April? The oil majors have pulled out. Russia needs their expertise for future production. It’s comical how every time I quote some Russian official such as the Russia head of the central bank or the Russian head of oil, you guys deny what they are saying and keep trying to run with your fantasy facts.


19 posted on 06/01/2022 4:38:10 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Russian oil production and export has not slowed yet,”

Did you even bother to look at your own link? Big drop in April.


20 posted on 06/01/2022 4:41:15 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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