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Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school
AP ^ | 5/26/22 | JAKE BLEIBERG, JIM VERTUNO

Posted on 05/26/2022 6:31:30 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: Spktyr

The creep was 18, so unless the school kept him in 4th grade for almost 10 years, it is highly unlikely that the bullying he experienced happened at that school.


41 posted on 05/26/2022 7:20:36 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement! There)
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To: JonPreston

That is the way I remember it too. I wonder how many were actually killed. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the government anymore.


42 posted on 05/26/2022 7:20:46 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't blame me, I voted for President Trump.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

some of them


43 posted on 05/26/2022 7:21:01 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: JonPreston

what a bunch of cowards. How can they live with themselves?


44 posted on 05/26/2022 7:36:31 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: JonPreston

Apparently there’s an active shooter situation that just occurred at the VA facility in Florida. People are losing there minds.


45 posted on 05/26/2022 7:49:29 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You asked for it, you got it. Cry more.


46 posted on 05/26/2022 7:52:19 AM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: JonPreston

Why do many police departments have Protect and Serve on their cruisers when many do no such thing? Inquiring minds want to know.


47 posted on 05/26/2022 7:55:13 AM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: LastDayz

they protect and serve each other.....


48 posted on 05/26/2022 8:09:41 AM PDT by wny
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“You hate police?”

I hate cowards whether they wear uniforms or not.

Clear enough for you?

L


49 posted on 05/26/2022 8:17:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: milagro

The abuse was in his junior high and high schools, not at the shooting location.


50 posted on 05/26/2022 8:25:40 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I don’t doubt it, but has this been substantiated?

I read the best book several years ago (fiction) about a school shooting, bullying, the mind of the young shooter who had been bullied since first grade and his caring single mother. A sad, scared kid who literally was rejected for years until he snapped. JODI PICOULT “NINETEEN MINUTES”.


51 posted on 05/26/2022 8:26:29 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: DownInFlames

Early reports are that he was using AR pattern rifles, not a pistol.

As for the tranny/mentally ill issues - those may have been caused by incessant bullying that became sexual abuse. Which is something that *has* been shown to cause that in some individuals.


52 posted on 05/26/2022 8:27:16 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Toespi

Don’t know how substantiated it can be - reports of former classmates on social and other media indicate that this is what happened, but the school might not have records of it. Possibly deliberately - school administrators can be pretty slimy, especially when defending players of the holy football sport in Texas. Not saying that’s what happened in this case, but bullying is not punished properly any more in most schools and the victim of bullying often gets further victimized by the school administration.


53 posted on 05/26/2022 8:30:00 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; WMarshal

If the police had acted like a bunch of undisciplined hot heads the killer could have picked them off one by one - then finished his task of evil.

That’s an insane option.

The brave man who took out the killer has a hat with a bullet hole through the top of it. An inch lower and he would have been killed. Time to be grateful ...


54 posted on 05/26/2022 8:43:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Thank God for Texas Law Enforcement and our brave Border Patrol..)
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To: Spktyr

“the victim of bullying often gets further victimized by the school administration.”

My niece was a fabulous 7/8 grade teacher in a poorer, southern CA, area school district. She had a philosophy that there are kids that have to be taught nothing, the have good family support, great grades and will always excel. Then there were the others, smart but neglected, drug parents, troubled, bullied. All teachers knew who these kids were and they let them fall into the cracks. She was different, if one of these kids was absent for several days, she went to their home, glaring at their drug addled parents, picked them up, took them to breakfast, then to school. When she became the principal of the school, if one of these kids was sent to the office in trouble, she would bring them into her office and they would eat chocolate drops together. Their punishment would be they got to grade papers for teachers who needed help. If they were bullied, at lunch she would sit with them at the most popular table in the cafeteria. Sadly, this wonderful woman died of a brain tumor at fifty, over 800 people came to her memorial and the testaments from these students were astounding. She was an EDUCATOR that changed lives.


55 posted on 05/26/2022 8:59:32 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: butlerweave
They were ordered to let the killer do his job ?

That thought occurred to me too. Columbine defined how police were to force entry immediately and take down any active shooters as fast as possible. This was once again a failure on the part of police to minimize casualties. In the end, I think it will be more like Parkland, where police milled around while an active shooter was able to carry out his horrific massacre without any interference for a lengthy period of time. I understand this school had a resource officer. Where was he in all this?

56 posted on 05/26/2022 9:00:10 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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Police don’t just run in. Not the way they’re trained

After Columbine, that is the way they are trained. This police department failed spectacularly.

57 posted on 05/26/2022 9:04:18 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Toespi

And she was a huge exception to the normal run of school administrators. The current trend for school administrations is to implement “zero tolerance” for bullying/violence. Unfortunately what that translates to is that both the bully and the victim get placed on suspension with black marks in their records. If the victim fights back, they will often be punished even more severely than the bully. Not kidding.

The bully doesn’t care because, hey, free vacation from school. The victim just begins to learn that nobody will help them, that the authorities will only punish indiscriminately and there is no real justice.

I was lucky that while these policies or predecessors thereof were only beginning to be implemented in my junior high and high school years, I got much of my growth early. When the bullies started in on me for being a big nerd/geek for wearing glasses and the administration demonstrated the ‘virtues’ above, it was possible for me to stealthily do things like defenestrate the bullies, or arrange for them to literally fall down flights of stairs. After not too long, the bullying stopped except when I changed schools, and when it started up again it was quickly ended. Most victims aren’t going to have those options, though.


58 posted on 05/26/2022 9:16:12 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Did you go through the academy for Uvalde?


59 posted on 05/26/2022 9:19:54 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: LastDayz
Why do many police departments have Protect and Serve on their cruisers when many do no such thing? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's a reference to protecting and serving their pensions. There are many police officers who will blindly follow orders to confiscate guns from citizens because they want to collect their pension at retirement.

There are good police officers who would ignore such an order, but the question is how many.
60 posted on 05/26/2022 9:25:32 AM PDT by SlipperySlope99
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