Posted on 05/24/2022 8:03:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
I’m trying to remember when it became fashionable for conservatives to promote the idea that protecting radical Islamic royal families in some Middle Eastern sh!t-hole was ever a good idea.
You know nothing. He was the one who stole the election. He was very unpopular.
Well protecting them against even worse dictatorship was in our interest. Saddam Hussein wanted to control most of the middle east oil. Were it not for the rapid deployment of A-10’s in August 1999, he probably would have invaded Saudi Arabia too. Allowing him to control almost 50% of worldwide known oil reserves would not have been a good idea.
I concur!
I always assumed anything goes to protect the petrodollar.
The purpose of the Budapest Memorandum was to guarantee against any loss of Ukrainian sovereignty, prevent any invasion by the superpowers, and ensure its borders remained intact.
Some people seem to think an EU Free Trade Association agreement or the provision of military assistance and training violates the Memorandum but they’re wrong. Ukraine remained in control of its own economy and borders; it still was able to hold elections and referenda; it wasn’t completely subservient to either Moscow or Washington; it could walk away from the table if it didn’t like the offer.
Russia’s “mothball the EU deal, and give us total control over your economy by the back door, and we’ll install you as a defacto President for Life like Lukashenko is in Belarus” deal with Yanukovych DID break the Memorandum. Because it would’ve handed Kiev over to Moscow the minute Ukraine failed to keep up its repayments.
Don’t forget, a few years earlier Russia poisoned Yanykovych’s election opponent. Yanukovych win anyway. But if his rival had died from the poisoning, Yanukovych would’ve won by default and done so by the direct action of Russia.
Obama didn’t go anywhere near as far as Putin did. So both sides are wrong, but Russia got there first and did the worst.
Allowing Russian forces to occupy Ukraine would put them in an ideal place to attack Poland, Moldova, and Romania. Back when the Soviets had a starting point in the middle of Germany, their war plans were to drive all the way to the English Channel and Atlantic Ocean.
Shhhhhh don’t tell anyone, but I’m evading the ban!
But what reasonable person actually thinks the Russians want to do any of this?
The reality is that the supposedly idealistic side are the neocons who claim they are making the world safe for democracy when in fact they just want to make the world safe for cheap Chinese products.
Meanwhile the realists have been hijacked by those who believe that keeping it real means keeping money flowing to the Military Industrial Complex.
The oligarchs refuse to identify themselves and act as the elite leaders they are supposed to be. Why can't we behave like a true empire? Only enter wars that benefit our empire, and completely destroy anyone that gets in the way.
Instead our oligarchs hide behind a thin veil of democracy and engage in deceitful and half-baked proxy wars where nothing is ever settled.
The only calculations that are made is regarding the balance of money going to the MIC vs. that going to globalist multinationals. Too much war is bad for business. Too little war is bad for the MIC.
That's the real intellectual debate that is going on.
Peter Zeihan says Russia won't feel safe unless it controls all the passes to its territory. They will want to control everything from the Vistula river in Poland down to the Bessarabian gap in Moldova and Romania. In order to feel secure, they have to control countries that contain over twice the population of Russia. This war in Ukraine is the last time Russia has an opportunity to expand its control over strategic gaps before its demographic decline makes their military unable to do it.
“ it has been disappointing to see the American public once again so easily led down the path to supporting a war that never had to be—never would have been—but for the policies enacted by our government.”
THIS ^^^^^ 1000 times 🤪
Kuwait was slant drilling oil from Iraqi oil fields and selling it outside OPEC, laughing all the way to the bank.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/invasion-of-kuwait-why-did-iraq-invade-kuwait.html
All I can find is that Iraq accused Kuwait of that, but never had proof.
Saddam had plenty of desires for his other neighbors, too.
The majority of the Ukrainian People are grateful that it happened.
There Is a Significant Neo-Nazi Problem in Ukraine
White Supremacists, huh? In his Inaugural Speech, Biden likewise identified "White Supremacy" as the greatest threat to America / democracy. Don't care.
The Russians Always Objected to NATO Expansion into Ukraine
Don't care. Russians don't have a say in the matter. Next objection?
Biden Could Have Prevented the War
Irrelevant. The war is here!
Regards,
All you have to see is all the Int’l Leaders showing up In Kiev to see why this war happened. They’ve all got a stake in Ukraine. Us and Eropean Leaders want their share.
Ukraine will never be run by it’s people - never.
No, there was another reason as well. They know all the crimes he has committed, and he needed that not to come out.
How did Yanukovich steal an election he won fair and square with almost 50% of the vote?
Bush Senior, originally from Connecticut, relocated to Texas. He knew the drill. (pun intended)
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