Monkeypox is now spotted in Italy and Sweden - bringing number of countries with confirmed or suspected cases to SEVEN

You didn’t include this part:

“Respiratory droplets generally cannot travel more than a few feet, so prolonged face-to-face contact is required.”

There’s also this:

“Someone can become infected through direct contact with respiratory droplets of another person who has monkeypox in the home or in a health facility, or with contaminated materials such as bedding. Although these are the main modes of person-to-person transmission, monkeypox outbreaks tend to occur in small clusters of a few cases without leading to widespread community transmission. For this reason, outbreaks can be easily controlled when responded to rapidly. On several occasions, monkeypox has been reported in other regions due to importation by travelers or infected animals”

https://openwho.org/courses/monkeypox-introduction

And this:

“Persons with monkeypox should wear a surgical mask, especially those who have respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath, sore throat). If this is not feasible (e.g., a child with monkeypox), other household members should consider wearing a surgical mask when in the presence of the person with monkeypox.”

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/clinicians/infection-control-home.html

So they only recommend that even household members wear a mask *if* the patient is unable to wear one.

I really don’t think we need to worry about a monkeypox epidemic.

Yet no one on the plane with the infected gay guy got monkeypox, only his sexual partners caught it. No one in the airport or anywhere else.

The nurse in Texas is thought to have contracted Ebola (more easily transmitted than monkeypox) via bodily fluids of the dying patient on uncovered areas of her body or clothing - whether from droplets from a cough, or vomit, urine, feces, or blood. Ebola symptoms include diarrhea, vomiting and bleeding from orifices. This poor nurse has to deal with all that. No one in the bar got Ebola.

Of the 177 people who came in contact with the Ebola patient, only two caught it: nurses who gave him close care and therefore dealing with his bodily fluids.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-avoided-an-ebola-pandemic-timeline/287-5d7ac6b4-ca2f-450d-ab3a-f81c8ed1a86f

It’s too soon for plane passengers to show illness the incubation time is up to 21 days with 14 being the typical in the next two weeks those in the aircraft will show symptoms if they were inoculated. The WHO says large droplets which means mid micron range those tend to fall out of suspension in a few minutes but sitting next to someone who is shedding with a reasonably high viral load for hours at a time is a sure fire way to get the critical threshold dose. So no you can’t say the fellow passengers didn’t get it yet that’s not possible to know yet as the window of incubation has not passed they were exposed in the last 48 hours two.weeks from now circle back and see how many close contact vectors are confirmed. I would put money on a few in the seats right next to BV1 for each respective country’s. Same goes for households which is why study after study has shown household attack rates in the mid 60 percentiles that’s nothing to sneeze at pun intended.

I was at that bar in East Dallas when the Vietnamese nurse was there she was a regular I also was a regular at that bar the CDC showed up at my door in East Dallas two days later. We all had to quarantine under CDC guidance temp.checks twice a day reported to the CDC as well. She got it via aerosol droplets as he bleed out he was coughing them into the hospital air and her PPE’m was totally inadequate for those aerosol viral particles she sued and won an undisclosed amount from Baylor Scott and White. Like I said I personally know her she was a regular at one of my favorite bars. We all were exposed fortunately she was not carrying a high enough viral load to spread it at that time. The guidance has subsequently been changed for late stage Ebola you absolutely 100% can and will get the illness if you don’t have full body PPE while a person is in late stage Ebola. Question are you a scientist? I am with a slew of advanced degrees and post doctoral work one of my post doctoral universities is in my user name and also where I lecture students. Some of those studies are in aerosol plume studies so I am familiar with particulate and gas transport down to the submicron levels. I do plume studies for the gas and oil industry for PM2.5, H2S gas, radon, silica PM sub2.5 micron the RRC and TCEQ both have do not exceed limits for occupied structures a certain distance from point source emissions like tank batteries,drill sites, and flare stacks. The point is most virus that infect the respiratory system have a degree of aerosol transmission vector where in the cycle of infection a person is determines their viral load and individual respiratory system functions also affect how much is aerosolized but it is a mistake to blanked statement that Ebola,smallpox or monkey pox or chicken pox or covid cannot be aerosolized the CDC for two years flat refused to admit Sars Covid II was aerosol despite mountains of evidence for political reasons. Fact is SCVDII is fully capable of sub micron aerosol vector transmission was from day one at certain parts of it’s infection cycle. Monkey pox is no different it is fully encapsulated DNA virus which is more resistant to environmental breakdown than a lipid RNA virus. Smallpox in the same family was assuredly airborne over short distances it also had as high of a household attack rate due to the same factors. Monkey pox will spread via the air during part of its cycle the WHO acknowledges this with the statements of large droplets aerosol over short distances and times. I can’t think of a closer environment than sitting 6 hours shoulder to shoulder with someone on a transatlantic flight what other place will you spend that amount of time in such close proximity.

How do you know it was aerosolized blood? Were they performing dental procedures on the poor patient? How did the blood become aerosolized?

All reports say the nurse had inadequate PPE covering with areas of her body exposed (neck, head, aside from PPE face coverings) and was not provided change of c!othing before leaving hospital, etc., and it is believed she was exposed through droplets on exposed areas of her body or c!othing, not aerosol transmission.

Notice no other person exposed, including ER and ambulance personnel caught Ebola. Only the two nurses with inadequate PPE who were in close contact and exposed to his bodily fluids in the late stage when bodily fluids proliferate (diarrhea, vomit, bleeding from orifices). Over 200 other people were exposed, yet did not catch it. If aerosol transmission was possible, at least some would have.

Of course the CDC went to extraordinary measures including quarantine when it came to any sort of contact at all. Ebola is highly lethal. Monkeypox, not so much. If a monkeypox patient is being treated in a developed country and it’s the West African clade, fatality rate is estimated at only 1% or less. Ebola’s fatality rate varies from 25% to 90% and averages 50%. It also spreads more easily than monkeypox.

How contagious is monkeypox? Not very.

Monkeypox has an R0 of 1
Ebola has an R0 of 2
Smallpox has an R0 of 3
Polio has an R0 of 4-6
Mumps has an R0 of 10-12
Chickenpox has an R0 of 10-12
Pertussis has an R0 of 15-17
Measles has an R0 of 16-18

Whoa, notice the jump when you get to the ones likely to be transmitted via aerosol?

As you can read in the DM artcle, there have been monkeypox outbreaks in the past, including in the US, that were easily contained. This would not have been the case if it could be transmitted via aerosol.

No, I’m not a scientist. You are not a doctor. Understanding aerosols does not mean you understand whether certain diseases spread via aerosol or not. Yes, they got it wrong with Covid, as they did many other things with Covid. We know more about monkeypox as it’s been seen in humans for over 50 years. It has not been known to spread via aerosol.

Yes, respiratory diseases do often spread via aerosol. Monkeypox is not a respiratory disease.

Large droplets do not equal aerosol. “Large droplets aerosol” is an oxymoron and does not make sense, at least not in the medical field. Yes, there is droplet transmission with monkeypox, but no known aerosol/airborne transmission. Droplet transmission is very different from aerosol/airborne:

https://thescrubnurse.com/airborne-vs-droplet-transmission-differences/

You keep using the word “vector” in such odd ways and I keep envisioning ticks and mosquitoes sitting in tiny little airline seats.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/vector-borne-diseases

Yes, I can imagine if you sat next to an unmasked symptomatic monkeypox patient on a long flight and you talked together animatedly, or he happened to sneeze or cough, you might well catch it. Or if lesions on his arm were oozing onto the shared armrest. But if airborne spread were possible, nearly all on the plane would stand a good chance of catching it.

If you want to believe monkey pox is super contagious and something to be scared of, go ahead. I’m not concerned about it myself.

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