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Has the U.S., U.K., E.U., AND NATO Objective in Ukraine Evolved? ^ | May 14, 2022 | Douglas MacKinnon

Posted on 05/14/2022 4:00:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

Shockingly -- at least to some conservatives -- 149 Republicans in the House joined with every single Democrat to pass a bill being cheered-on by Nancy Pelosi to send another $40 Billion in U.S. taxpayer money to Ukraine. Money which has zero accountability once it is delivered to the Ukraine leadership.

Let’s all agree that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was illegal, reprehensible, and tragic. That settled, can we now ask what is ultimately in the best interests of the citizens of the United States? Especially in the face of record high fuel prices, inflation, and growing food shortages.

To this very point, Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky said in part during a floor speech in the Senate: “My oath of office is to the U.S. constitution, not to any foreign nation and no matter how sympathetic the cause, my oath of office is to the national security of the United States of America.

“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the U.S. economy. In March, inflation hit a 40-year high. Gasoline alone is up 48%, and energy prices are up 32% over the last year. Food prices have increased by nearly 9%. Used vehicle prices are up 35% for the year, and new vehicle prices have increased 12% or more.”

Indeed. The last time I checked, as citizens with our tax-money and increased risk to ourselves in the game, we still have the right to strongly oppose the invasion of Ukraine by Russian President Vladimir Putin while questioning some of the tactics or personalities involved.

To this very day, much of the narrative “reported” about the Ukraine-Russia war begins with: “As Ukraine reported…,” or “As Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his team observed…” Maybe that’s all accurate. That said, there seems to be very little independent and verifiable reporting coming out of the country.

Knowing that, and understanding that in the collective fogs of war, politics, self-interest, and even war-time profiteering, things are often not how they seem, the strategy for leaders from the west should always be to take certain claims coming out of Ukraine with a grain of salt.

In the days after Putin invaded Ukraine, a number of politicians, pundits, academics, celebrities, and even journalists were calling for the Ukrainians to take up arms and take to the streets to fight the massive Russian war machine. Ten weeks later, as the countries supporting the innocent people of Ukraine continue to pour collectively tens of billions into the conflict, should we at least reevaluate how that advised strategy is actually helping Ukraine as more and more of its citizens are killed and more and more of its infrastructure gets reduced to rubble?

That tragic situation aside, we come to an exponentially more important question. That being: Has the U.S., U.K., E.U., NATO strategy “evolved” since the beginning of this war? Meaning, where initially, the only objective seemed to be about helping the innocent people of Ukraine. But now, as least to some, it appears that the ground has shifted dramatically under that initial objective.

An objective which now may have now morphed into: Destabilizing Russia and Vladimir Putin. Should that be the case, that shift in objectives would represent the single largest Neon-Red-flashing warning sign of our time.

If our politicians are open to embracing such an objective, it then becomes a moral imperative that the citizens of the nations they lead be informed of that policy shift. A policy shift which immediately and exponentially exposes the very real trip-wires in and around Ukraine which could be stepped upon to trigger a nuclear strike.

A nuclear strike list which might very well be topped with targets in Europe and the United Kingdom. A nightmare scenario Russian officials have been hinting at with growing frequency.

I recently spoke with a high-level intelligence official here in the United States regarding such a horrific possibility. He point-blankly stated: “When Putin first invaded, we put the odds of him using one of his tactical nuclear weapons at about thirty-percent. Today, our estimate is now up to sixty-percent.”

Insanely – at least to me – the rising possibility of a nuclear warhead actually being launched seems to be like a piece of lint to be brushed off the suit of those demanding the U.S. and Europe dial up the aggression against Putin and Russia.

Putin is unpredictable. As are his most loyal Generals. Even if the chance of a nuclear strike is only one-percent, it is the highest order of political and governmental malpractice not to factor that unpredictable risk into every single discussion regarding this war.

“Risk” being the bureaucratic-speak for “hundreds of thousands to millions of lives lost.”

Every sane and caring person in our country wants to help the innocent people of Ukraine. But, as our economy continues to unravel here in the United States, those same people have the right to ask – and know -- if the objective in Ukraine has “evolved” into one which dramatically increases the risk to them and their families.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nancypelousi; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 05/14/2022 4:00:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"Evolve"...a word made famous by the Obama Admin (with Brandon as VP).

"Obama Evolves!"

2 posted on 05/14/2022 4:20:37 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Kaslin

Our news is ‘curated’ because we cannot know the full truth. Does this remind you of anything recent?

We only hear one side, because the other side has been deemed to be BAD. One of the few exceptions is Vice News, who has a reporter behind Russian lines.

People interviewed on the street may not be an accurate gauge of sentiment, but I was surprised how many were in support of Russia.

3 posted on 05/14/2022 4:23:41 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Kaslin

Ukraine....where U.S. politicians have been laundering huge sums of taxpayer money for decades.
This war is a sleight of hand, to cover up what’s been going on over there.
Bidens, Clintons, Romneys, Pelosis, Schumers, Schiffs, Bushs, and the list goes on forever.

4 posted on 05/14/2022 4:32:50 AM PDT by Fireone (When they pry them from my cold, dead, unvaccinated hands.)
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To: Kaslin

Last ditch effort to fill their retirement coffers this money is payoff laundered money. We need a military tribunal and a commission to investigate prosecute and convict many in government dating back years and across the board. If we don’t punish we will relive

5 posted on 05/14/2022 4:38:02 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

On measuring Russians’ sentiment by VICE news reporter embedded in Russia: do you think people would express their opinion freely and on record in a country where you can get 15 years of GULAG resort for antiwar protest with an empty piece of paper?

6 posted on 05/14/2022 4:41:53 AM PDT by exinnj
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To: Fireone

You get it!
But most here don’t!!

7 posted on 05/14/2022 4:55:35 AM PDT by entropy12 (The best MAGA president in my 62 years in USA as adult, Donald J Trump!)
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To: Kaslin

This is the neo leftist isolationist game.

Oh, the Russian attack is a horrific crime against humanity and unforgivable aggression BUT....

And then fill in the blank. Now it’s we need baby formula.

The idea that we can’t supply weapons to stop Russian aggression in Europe and deal with a baby formula crisis and every other crisis, is absurd.

And the nuclear war with Russia risk will dramatically INCREASE after a Russian victory.

Their whole lesson is, let the bully win or the bully will attack us. That has never been true and defies human nature.

Russia started a very dangerous war in Europe. Russia needs to lose that war.

That’s what will enhance our security and protect humanity.

These “conservatives” have become the anti Vietnam left, who also constantly claimed Nixon was “widening” the war (as the communists widened it and he responded) and that we were going to cause WW3 by resisting the communists.

They demanded that we lose Vietnam after it was won, and they caused the killing fields holocaust in Cambodia.

8 posted on 05/14/2022 5:39:43 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Kaslin

It is a mistake to assume that the desired outcome is driven by leaders of the US or Europe. These people, and analysts, whatever, need to check with Ukrainian public opinion. That is what will determine when the war will end.

In nearly all cases what drives wars is what masses of people feel. Leaders are more driven than leading, and their role is constrained by that. Some just pretend to lead the parade that started without them, some try to be the traffic cop that bends the mass from one route to another - and that takes vast skill and luck. Some try to stop the march, and are usually trampled. And when the march changes course, or stops, would-be leaders are often left isolated.

The Ukrainians at the moment seem to want all their land back. If they get it the war is probably over as far as they are concerned, no matter what anyone else plots or fantasizes about Russia. Or the Ukrainians may grow war-weary and accept whatever the status quo is at that point, again overriding anyones plans.

Zelensky, like most leaders, is mainly driven, not leading. And I think he is smart enough to understand that. Negotiation on a basis contrary to the wishes of his people is a no-go, and so he cannot negotiate.

Personal guess is the Ukrainians (collectively, not just their leadership) will be satisfied after regaining Kherson Melitopol and Mariupol, or in short restoring the situation as of February 2022.

9 posted on 05/14/2022 5:46:46 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fireone

Hush money

10 posted on 05/14/2022 6:51:55 AM PDT by pm58590 (Stop bashing Coulter (seminar callers), For the rest of us, don't get distracted.)
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To: Kaslin

Without an audit we don’t know where the money is going.

11 posted on 05/14/2022 8:24:25 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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