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In Ukraine, a Bad Peace Is Better Than a Good War
Townhall.com ^ | May 10, 2022 | Mike Nuckols

Posted on 05/11/2022 4:26:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/11/2022 4:26:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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How about a different plan? Ukraine wins, Russia loses.

Looking at the situation on the ground that plan is closer to reality.


2 posted on 05/11/2022 4:31:11 AM PDT by Krosan
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what does America really stand to gain from more war on Ukrainian soil? For Washington, the bloodier the war, the more Russia suffers militarily.

Western imperialism, which pays a price for nothing, wins. America is paying a huge price every day. And it is an utter distraction from all of our domestic issues - our economy - and our real strategic issue - China.

It's the wrong war in the wrong place for the wrong reason run by the wrong people.

3 posted on 05/11/2022 4:32:46 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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And what does America really stand to gain from more war on Ukrainian soil? For Washington, the bloodier the war, the more Russia suffers militarily. That is not an unreasonable desire. But it is the Ukrainians who will die to achieve it. A negotiated peace now stops the war. It puts an end to the bombings and shelling of Ukrainian cities and the deaths of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers.

Leave it up to the Ukrainians. Ukrainians seem to be determined to rid the Russians from their land.

4 posted on 05/11/2022 4:40:35 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: AndyJackson

“It’s the wrong war in the wrong place for the wrong reason run by the wrong people.”

That is a perfect summary.


5 posted on 05/11/2022 4:41:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

I was surprised to see a story yesterday on one of the local TV stations about “What is an EMP? and what does it do?” Interviews on the street showed complete ignorance on the topic.

Something is up.


6 posted on 05/11/2022 4:41:48 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Krosan

Russia can probably bring two million tons of explosive force to the Ukrainian battlefields annually.

That is 100 Hiroshima bombs worth of explosive force.

The Ukrainians can’t make or transport across their country a comparable amount of explosive force.

Hitler leveled Rotterdam in 1940 with far, far less explosive force.


7 posted on 05/11/2022 4:41:57 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kaslin

Another surrender monkey speaks....


8 posted on 05/11/2022 4:41:59 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: Kaslin

The author ignores the social and political cost of the war in Russia. It also ignores the impact that a unified West has had on life in Russia with sanctions that have mushroomed far beyond what the governments alone could have imposed. Corporations like Schlumberger, Shell and others have withdrawn their technical support. Without these companies Russia can’t maintain its oil output. The Russian country and state have been limping along without developing the level of expertise required to keep their infrastructure going without foreign help. Therefore, Putin is not on a firm footing at home, and we could see the Russian federation...fifteen fractious countries...collapse inward long before there is a decision on the Ukrainian battlefield. The longer Ukraine can hold out the better will be any final solution to the conflict. It’s not Ukraine’s job to win the war. Its job is simply not to lose it.


9 posted on 05/11/2022 4:42:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud. Sorry.)
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To: tlozo

There is nothing wrong with that, is there? Just imagine if some country would invade us.


10 posted on 05/11/2022 4:43:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Biography- Mark Nuckols teaches law and business in Moscow.

Lol, Mark Nuckols, blink if this was written under duress.

11 posted on 05/11/2022 4:44:23 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: Krosan
How about a different plan? Ukraine wins, Russia loses.

Russia isn't going to be defeated.

They will do whatever it takes to win.
That's the problem.
And our military support of Ukraine is increasing that outcome.

When Russia decides the only way to win is to go nuclear, how do we respond?

Going to annihilate civilization over Ukraine?

12 posted on 05/11/2022 4:44:37 AM PDT by Vinnie ( L g Brandon)
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Russia has yet to up the ante. They have not destroyed Ukraine’s electrical grid, water supplies, bridges, railway system, airports, etc. Ukraine cannot carry out a prolonged war if Russia decides to systematically destroy the country’s infrastructure. And it can do that from inside the sanctuary of Russia’s borders.

The US did something similar to Serbia, including the use of EMP weapons. Agree with the author that a negotiated settlement ASAP is the best solution. A return to the status quo ante bellum is the best that be hoped for.


13 posted on 05/11/2022 4:44:39 AM PDT by kabar
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Going to annihilate civilization over Ukraine?

The problem is that Ukraine seems to be a vital financial interest of the globalist corruptocrats running up against a vital national security issue for the Russians, and an issue that most Americans, if they understood it would say, meh, not our circus.

But a good part of our deep state is with the global corruptocrats and against America. Linda is the public face of this Orwellian nightmare.

14 posted on 05/11/2022 4:49:43 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Kaslin

“it is the Ukrainians who will die to achieve it”

Let them decide if & when it’s time to concede


15 posted on 05/11/2022 4:50:55 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Vinnie

The Soviet Union was twice as big as Russia. They lost to Afghanistan and collapsed.


16 posted on 05/11/2022 4:55:37 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: kabar

You bring up a great point, Why haven’t the Russians attacked Infrastructure? That should have been the first to go. Then wait 10-14 days BEFORE invading. Something is odd


17 posted on 05/11/2022 5:02:06 AM PDT by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Kaslin

Satiating the invaders with a land prize will only invite more aggression later. Let Russia bleed through an insurgency.


18 posted on 05/11/2022 5:02:18 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Кчерту Путина, Kчерту Россию)
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To: Vinnie
Russia isn't going to be defeated.

They'll be bled dry through a protracted insurgency and sent back across their border just as more-powerful then-Soviets were in Afghanistan.

19 posted on 05/11/2022 5:06:19 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Кчерту Путина, Kчерту Россию)
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To: Gen.Blather
I have a different perspective. As I see it, the end result is likely to be that Russia becomes more Asian than European. China had already become the financier and labor pool for much of the energy and infrastructure development in Siberia. That is likely to accelerate over time, especially when you consider that Europe and the West would have declined as markets for Russian energy even WITHOUT any sanctions.

If I am in the business of producing cars and my biggest customers are imposing idiotic policies that force themselves to walk everywhere they travel, you can be sure I’m going to start looking elsewhere for new customers. This is basically what the “green energy” nonsense of the West has brought us.

20 posted on 05/11/2022 5:06:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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