Posted on 05/06/2022 8:18:38 PM PDT by Kevmo
The De-NAZIfication Claim by Russia is Factually Wrong -- 300 Historians
Claim is made at 4:42 in the video
DW's head of fact checking Joscha Weber
Also, in the last parliamentary elections in 2019 right wing parties won just 2% of the vote.
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Here is the statement he is referring to.
https://jewishjournal.com/news/worldwide/345515/statement-on-the-war-in-ukraine-by-scholars-of-genocide-nazism-and-world-war-ii/
Statement on the War in Ukraine by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II
Izabella Tabarovsky
Eugene Finkel February 27, 2022
Protestors with banners rally in front of Parliament in support of Ukraine, demanding that Putin ends this war and protesting that the Georgian Prime Minister, Irakli Gharibashvili, step down, after he said he would not introduce sanctions against Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022 (Photo by Daro Sulakauri/Getty Images) Audio Player
00:00 18:45
Use Up/Down Arrow keys to increase or decrease volume. As we write this, the horror of war is unfolding in Ukraine. The last time Kyiv was under heavy artillery fire and saw tanks in its streets was during World War II. If anyone should know it, it’s Vladimir Putin, who is obsessed with the history of that war.
Russian propaganda has painted the Ukrainian state as Nazi and fascist ever since Russian special forces first entered Ukraine in 2014, annexing the Crimea and fomenting the conflict in the Donbas, which has smoldered for eight long years.
It was propaganda in 2014. It remains propaganda today.
This is why we came together: to protest the use of this false and destructive narrative. Among those who have signed the statement below are some of the most accomplished and celebrated scholars of World War II, Nazism, genocide and the Holocaust. If you are a scholar of this history, please consider adding your name to the list. If you are a journalist, you now have a list of experts you can turn to in order to help your readers better understand Russia’s war against Ukraine.
And if you are a consumer of the news, please share the message of this letter widely. There is no Nazi government for Moscow to root out in Kyiv. There has been no genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine. And Russian troops are not on a liberation mission. After the bloody 20th century, we should all have built enough discernment to know that war is not peace, slavery is not freedom, and ignorance offers strength only to autocratic megalomaniacs who seek to exploit it for their personal agendas.
The statement can be found below. If you are a scholar and would like to add your signature to the list, please tweet @eugene_finkel or @izatabaro or send an email to efinkel4@jhu.edu.
To see the latest additions to the list of signatories, please see here.
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Statement by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II Since February 24, 2022, the armed forces of the Russian Federation have been engaged in an unprovoked military aggression against Ukraine. The attack is a continuation of Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula in 2014 and its heavy involvement in the armed conflict in the Donbas region.
The Russian attack came in the wake of accusations by the Russian president Vladimir Putin of crimes against humanity and genocide, allegedly committed by the Ukrainian government in the Donbas. Russian propaganda regularly presents the elected leaders of Ukraine as Nazis and fascists oppressing the local ethnic Russian population, which it claims needs to be liberated. President Putin stated that one of the goals of his “special military operation” against Ukraine is the “denazification” of the country.
We are scholars of genocide, the Holocaust, and World War II. We spend our careers studying fascism and Nazism, and commemorating their victims. Many of us are actively engaged in combating contemporary heirs to these evil regimes and those who attempt to deny or cast a veil over their crimes.
We strongly reject the Russian government’s cynical abuse of the term genocide, the memory of World War II and the Holocaust, and the equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression. This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it, including Russian and Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army.
We do not idealize the Ukrainian state and society. Like any other country, it has right-wing extremists and violent xenophobic groups. Ukraine also ought to better confront the darker chapters of its painful and complicated history. Yet none of this justifies the Russian aggression and the gross mischaracterization of Ukraine. At this fateful moment we stand united with free, independent and democratic Ukraine and strongly reject the Russian government’s misuse of the history of World War II to justify its own violence.
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As you wish.
If you don’t like the “reason” given, just call it an “excuse”.
Excuse is a reason or explanation given to justify a fault or offence.
Reason is an explanation, cause or basis for something.
If I were a neocon as your side keeps accusing me of being, I would absolutely LOVE such excuses to invade. Then we could invade Mexico and set up a 100 mile buffer zone for interdicting Narco State Drug Trade as well as People Trafficking, and we could invade Siberia on the slightest pretenses that Russia smells bad.
Beautiful excuses. When do we go in?
Are there more Russians in Ukraine than there are Mexicans in the USA?
No? Then I don’t care; these are two very corrupt and undemocratic former Soviet States. It’s the EU’s backyard, let them sort it out… or let them fight.
Are there more Russians in Ukraine than there are Mexicans in the USA?
***Do we have a signed nuclear nonproliferation with those Mexicans in the USA? Does your analogy have any bearing whatsoever on what we’re talking about ?
No? Then I don’t care;
***Then I say the same thing. Take a critical thinking class. Learn some reasoning skills.
these are two very corrupt and undemocratic former Soviet States.
***We have nuke nonproliferation interests: “U.S. denuclearization objectives could not be obtained without giving the Ukrainians something in return, combined with a growing recognition that U.S. security interests were threatened by a failure of Ukrainian statehood.” https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2014-03-08/ukraine-russia-npt
It’s the EU’s backyard, let them sort it out… or let them fight.
***Then give the Ukes back their nukes. “The trilateral statement and the three-sided negotiations were not simply about nuclear disarmament, but were the embodiment of a broader strategic deal that links nuclear disarmament to economic assistance and, most importantly, to Ukrainian security. The nuclear portions of the statement are well known: Ukraine committed itself to the elimination of all nuclear weapons located on its territory and the transfer of nuclear warheads on its territory to Russia for dismantlement. Ukraine was guaranteed compensation for the highly enriched uranium for its power reactors underwritten by an advance U.S. payment of $60 million. These and other provisions reaffirmed Ukraine’s commitment to complete nuclear disarmament over the period of START I implementation by transferring nuclear warheads to Russia, and, of greater immediate significance, the sides agreed on concrete interim steps that would lead to the early deactivation of all SS-24 ICBMs under a separate, secret arrangement that greatly accelerates the denuclearization process.[iii]
Linked to these nuclear undertakings are specific security assurances the United States, Russia and Britain proposed to extend to Ukraine once it acceded to the NPT”
I think the list is full of a bunch of Leftists trying to
game the issue for advantage.
That’s probably what you were intimating too.
It wasn’t offensive to me that you started the thread and
pointed out what was going on.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to talk about how well the national socialist party did?
***Nope. Why do you ask?
Because a National Socialist party would be much closer in ideals and principles to the Nazis than “right-wing” parties.
Sadly, “historians” as a group are almost as unbelievable as lawyers.
Obama is a National Socialist
www.freerepublic.com ^ | October 27, 2008 | Kevmo
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2008 4:19:47 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2116981/posts
Is that historians or “historians”? Do you have some data to back up your claim either way?
So how do we separate historians from “historians” and from those who obviously impose their own bias on the data?
One way I do it is to fly at 40,000 feet, and to try to get to things that both sides agree to.
Both sides agree that Ukraine was invaded by Russia.
Both sides agree that the Moskva sank.
Both sides signed the 1994 Budapest Accession to the UN Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine HONORED it, by giving up their nukes. Russia VIOLATED it, by invading twice as soon as they figured out there were oil/gas/warmWaterPorts and a weak-kneed appeaser in the white house.
Both sides say the Russkies were aiming for Kiev, and they aint doin’ that any more.
Both sides acknowledge there’s more than $30B in aid headed to Ukraine.
Where else do both sides agree?
I’ve been through your BS before. No thanks.
Yeah huh. Your commentation on “historians” versus historians is just plain pure bullshiite. But thanks for even considering a middle ground, @$$#0/e.
Both sides agree, but you don’t. Very telling.
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Lyrics
Doing alright
A little driving on a Saturday night
And come what may
Gonna dance the day away
Jenny was sweet
She always smiled for the people she’d meet
On trouble and strife
She had another way of looking at life
The news is blue (the news is blue)
Has its own way to get to you (ooh)
What can I do (what can I do?)
I’ll not remember my time with you
Pick up your feet
You’ve got to move to the trick of the beat
There is no elite
Just take your place in the driver’s seat
Driver’s seat, ooh
Driver’s seat, yeah
We’re doing alright (ooh)
A little driving on a Saturday night (yeah)
And come what may (ooh)
Gonna dance the day away (yeah)
Driver’s seat, ooh
Driver’s seat, yeah
Jenny was sweet (ooh)
There is no elite (yeah)
Pick up your feet (ooh)
Pick up, pick up (yeah)
Pick up your feet (ooh)
Gonna dance the day away (yeah)
Driver’s seat, ooh
Driver’s seat, yeah
Driver’s seat, ooh
Driver’s seat, yeah
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Driver’s seat
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Songwriters: Paul Roberts
Driver’s Seat lyrics © Meadowlark Music
...So wouldn’t that mean you agree with my original statement..?
So then the folks on that side are not only obamabuttboys but national socialists? Well, okay.
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