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To: Kaslin

I have no problem with Terry Jeffrey’s reasoning.
If it is unconstitutional for Joseph Kennedy to lead his players in prayer and I think it is.
The it is worse for Nancy Pelosi to have Margaret Kibben lead the House of Representatives in prayer.
To me this means no Christian, Muslim, Buddist, Sikh, satanic or atheistic prayer. No prayers of any kind. However I think the Pledge of Allegiance is fine, even though, most of our American Royalty do not believe in it either.


10 posted on 04/27/2022 7:54:18 AM PDT by Tupelo (Don't underestimate The Republican Party's ability to f*ck things up)
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To: Tupelo

Judeo-Christian Prayers is what this ONCE FINE country was founded on. PRAY ON!!!


17 posted on 04/27/2022 8:56:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Tupelo

How do we square the free exercise of religion with the establishment clause?
The establishment clause prevents the Federal government from establishing an official church or recognizing one church above all others. Yet, the Declaration of Independence, the charter of our Constitution declares we are “One Nation Under God.”
The authors of the Declaration did not assume that belief in God establishes a church. It is a principle of reality. Our nation is explicitly founded upon belief in God. We are not an atheist nation.
The establishment of a religion infers the institution of a church, a denomination. That is the plain language of the Constitution.
Thus, we are guaranteed absolute freedom to express our religious beliefs. The federal government, however, is not permitted to create an official government church.
The high school coach is well within his rights as a person to practice his religion when ever and where ever he sees fit. Pelosi in not free to officially canonize religious rite and ritual as a government practice.
State governments are free to establish government supported churches. The ban is reserved to the Federal and not the State government. For a time Virginia supported a government sponsored church. Any state may do so.


24 posted on 04/27/2022 10:09:50 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Contempt is the essential tool of the tyrant.)
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To: Tupelo

How do we square the free exercise of religion with the establishment clause?
The establishment clause prevents the Federal government from establishing an official church or recognizing one church above all others. Yet, the Declaration of Independence, the charter of our Constitution declares we are “One Nation Under God.”
The authors of the Declaration did not assume that belief in God establishes a church. It is a principle of reality. Our nation is explicitly founded upon belief in God. We are not an atheist nation.
The establishment of a religion infers the institution of a church, a denomination. That is the plain language of the Constitution.
Thus, we are guaranteed absolute freedom to express our religious beliefs. The federal government, however, is not permitted to create an official government church.
The high school coach is well within his rights as a person to practice his religion when ever and where ever he sees fit. Pelosi in not free to officially canonize religious rite and ritual as a government practice.
State governments are free to establish government supported churches. The ban is reserved to the Federal and not the State government. For a time Virginia supported a government sponsored church. Any state may do so.


25 posted on 04/27/2022 10:11:16 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Contempt is the essential tool of the tyrant.)
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To: Tupelo

“If it is unconstitutional for Joseph Kennedy to lead his players in prayer...”

This has been adjudicated previously in other forms, and it ISN’T unconstitutional; public entities MAY NOT proscribe non-disruptive voluntary personal prayer by individuals. The coach is not on a hot mic leading a crowd populated by others who may not want to participate, it’s all volunteer with no coercion to opt in, and no penalty for opting out. There is ZERO Establishment Clause incursion, here.

Straight up Constitutionally LEGAL.

Here’s a very good summary of what’s allowed ans what’s not:
https://c391070.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/pdf/WP_Prayer-in-School.pdf

It seems the School Board is just being obstinate about accepting past rulings as applicable in this case, so SCOTUS has to, now, come to the table with yet ANOTHER one.

I wonder if they’re ever, “HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE GOT TO TELL YOU PEOPLE...?”

By STARK contrast, however, Nancy Pelosi having a PAID party, Margaret Kibben, lead the House of Representatives in prayer — THAT’S official sanction by FedGov, and it VERY LIKELY runs afoul of the Establishment Clause, because the individual is being paid by Congress to serve that function, and any money Congress spends has to be approved by Law in the budget, so “Congress shall make NO LAW” looms very large, here, because they have to pass a Law endorsing the funds to compensate this person for this religious speech.


27 posted on 04/27/2022 10:58:39 AM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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