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PG&E eyes higher electric and gas bills as utility seeks more revenue
San Jose Mercury News ^ | April 22, 2022 | GeorgeAvalos

Posted on 04/24/2022 10:03:49 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: nickcarraway

California is literally sitting on the largest gold mine in history that would simultaneously:

1. Generate unlimited carbon free electricity for 300 years
2. Produce hydrogen gas from decay heat that could eliminate CO2 emissions from coal used in steel production and EV fuel cells.
3. Use excess nuclear process heat to desalinate and restore the Salton Sea environment disaster area in Southern CA.
4. Extract vast quantities of lithium needed for modern batteries from the Salton Sea brine
5. Provide a customer to MP Materials Corp rare earth metals mining operation in Mountain Pass, CA to burn up the uranium and thorium byproducts and eliminate their environmentally required storage costs while eliminating our dependence on China.
6. Burn up all the nuclear waste products currently in dry storage at San Onofre to produce vast amounts of cheap electricity.

The solution is to build an advanced liquid fuel breeder reactor such as the Elysium Industries design at the abandoned Naval Station and former atomic test site adjacent to the Salton Sea. The military is not subject to the ossified NRC commercial regulations and can establish its own regulations and protocols to accelerate adoption of the latest technology.

P&G and SD&G rates would be reduced below fossil fuel or alternative supplies across the state and growth in the “Lithium” Valley would generate wealth and tax revenues equivalent to Silicon Valley today.


21 posted on 04/24/2022 10:42:27 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: buwaya

Thank you for the backhanded compliment.
“Actually”...

I know a bunch of retirees doing 20 hours a week, at a high rate, that are 65-72.
The workforce in the utility field is getting very old around me.


22 posted on 04/24/2022 10:49:30 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: TexasGator

CA has plenty of power to charge 10 million EV’s?

Then why does CA have brown outs and is constantly increasing the cost of electrical power?


23 posted on 04/24/2022 10:51:20 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Assuming 60 miles per day, charging at 3 kw for 5 hours at night there is enough excess capacity now for those cars.


24 posted on 04/24/2022 10:57:58 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: TexasGator

I like how you danced by the question. Clever!


25 posted on 04/24/2022 11:02:59 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TexasGator

Sure. Now. But what happens when California’s stated policy of shutting down all of its gas, oil, and coal power plants happens?


26 posted on 04/24/2022 11:03:49 AM PDT by themidnightskulker (And then the thread dies... peacefully, in it's sleep....)
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To: nickcarraway; All
Thank you for referencing that article nickcarraway. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"PG&E [??? emphasis added] eyes higher electric and gas bills as utility seeks more revenue"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
"In what could represent a fresh jolt for customers, PG&E is seeking state approval [emphasis added]..."

The election year title of the referenced article is misleading imo. It should read a follows.

"California state government eyes higher electric and gas bills as utility seeks more revenue"

Insights welcome.

27 posted on 04/24/2022 11:09:40 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: nickcarraway

When Jimmy Carter was President. He called for everyone to lower their thermostats to conserve electricity that winter. He also asked people not to put up Christmas lights that year.

The local utility where we lived then saw a dramatic decrease in power use. The utility said they could not cover their costs because of the drop in use.

As thanks for our electricity conservation efforts, THE UTILITY DRAMTICALLY RAISED OUR RATES. We used less and paid more !


28 posted on 04/24/2022 11:19:18 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: nickcarraway

PG&E owns several lakes, sections of streams and rivers for Hydo-energy plants.


29 posted on 04/24/2022 12:01:46 PM PDT by Striperman (Striperman)
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To: hflynn

Here is the thing - under ever growing and more onerous burden of regulations, PG&E is in a crunch, soon to be left with no operating margins whatsoever. They have mandates placed upon them, with no means to fulfill the obligations that come with the mandates.

Love PG&E or hate them, they are as much a victim of the radical policies of the current despotism that is in control of virtually all aspects of life in California as the hordes of homeless, and very nearly as hopeless. PG&E is a train wreck no longer in slow motion.


30 posted on 04/24/2022 1:05:58 PM PDT by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: TexasGator

The fun part is electrical capacity during rush hour—some folks will not think ahead or not have the ability to charge their vehicles at their home or apartment or workplace.

Murphy’s Law is gonna rule with this electric vehicle stuff...


31 posted on 04/24/2022 1:15:30 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: rellic

I worked for a city that passed out water saving devices for free. When the water revenue started falling off the jacks up the rates.


32 posted on 04/24/2022 1:45:46 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: alloysteel
PSEG Long Island, NY who took over the mess LILCO created tries to do better but it is a losing battle. The thing is the energy policies of the Biden Administration are making it exponentially worse. No one wants to open their next PSEG bill.
33 posted on 04/24/2022 1:51:40 PM PDT by hflynn ( )
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They should celebrate when their “energy prices necessarily skyrocket”.


34 posted on 04/24/2022 3:44:36 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: buwaya

P, G, &E own the reservoirs.


35 posted on 04/24/2022 4:49:26 PM PDT by rellic
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To: nickcarraway

HOW else can they pay the lawsuit for the wildfires???


36 posted on 04/24/2022 5:27:54 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: dragnet2

I always have the same takeaway from your comment. I left CA for good 4 months ago and am never looking back. Water could be solved with recycling, desalination and new reservoirs. Fires could be minimized by logging and modern fire stations. Hydroelectric, geothermal, nuclear are all modern power sources, along with wind and solar. Unions screw up the schools, along with bloated government. DA’s and the Legislature love crime and lockdowns.

The bottom line is that even with the muted way things are done, losing 6 million invaders who mainly live below the poverty line and are subsidized take a lot of resources.

It’s simple math, but CA is falling like a rock and until tech stops making trillions, it will stay the way it is.


37 posted on 04/24/2022 9:34:26 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: nickcarraway

The electric rate in Calif. is 20 cents/kw to over 30 cents /kw and they want more and more money.


38 posted on 04/24/2022 9:42:47 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy gas)
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To: rellic

PG&E own a few reservoirs.
Vast majority belong to the State, or water/irrigation districts, municipalities, etc. Such as say Hetch Hetchy that belongs to the City of San Francisco.


39 posted on 04/24/2022 10:36:33 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: cgbg

“The fun part is electrical capacity during rush hour”

er, they will be driving their cars, not charging them!


40 posted on 04/25/2022 8:44:12 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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