Posted on 04/21/2022 8:39:19 AM PDT by Kevmo
Nicely said. +1
tag team trolling
No, the Ukrainian government never had operational control of the Soviet nukes that were in their borders when the USSR disorganized. They were controlled form Moscow at all times. They gave up a -claim- to them.
And thank god they did.
In any case, that government is long gone, replaced in a coup in 2014. When that government died, their agreements died with them. That agreement was abrogated in the coup.
The Ukraine and Russia are two of the most corrupt nations on earth. If anything, the Ukraine is a European problem. Europe has shown that it's not serious about defending Ukraine as it continues to do business with Russian and import their commodities. The only interest we have in Ukraine is the quid pro quo corruption our government officials and their Oligarchs have in common. IMHO, we are fools if we allow ourselves to be dragged into a war with Russia. Sadly, I believe Biden, democrats and corrupt RINOs will intentionally get us into a shooting war with Russia, that could include nukes, to deflect from his miserable record and dismal approval rating.
“Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land”
Ok, so you are a fan of going to the eastern front of WWII, and taking on the role of the German army. I’m not. It matters not a whit to me what happens on that border.
Especially 31 Trillion in debt and with a fraudulently installed president flooding our border, destroying our military and wrecking our economy.
By the way, you seem to really believe in this cause. Have you explored going there and volunteering?
I cannot think of a single reason for an American kid to die for eastern Ukraine, in an alliance with an Azov guy with “SS” on his helmet.
No, the Ukrainian government never had operational control of the Soviet nukes
***Sigh. Here we go again. Round and round. They had OBVIOUS physical control of those nukes otherwise there was no need for that nonproliferation accession agreement. They could have built nukes off that weapons grade nuke material in a matter of weeks.
that were in their borders when the USSR disorganized. They were controlled form Moscow at all times.
***Totally wrong. Those nukes were abandoned, hence the need for that agreement.
They gave up a -claim- to them.
***The Ukes gave up physical POSSESSION of them.
And thank god they did.
***Then you should be upholding the other provisions of that very same “thank god” agreement. But your side doesn’t do that, having engaged their a priori classic fallacy reasoning.
In any case, that government is long gone,
***Not applicable. Every UN treaty addresses the continuation of policies when guvmints are transitioned.
replaced in a coup in 2014.
***Bullshiite. Conspiracy theory. Inapplicable under United Nations policy anyways.
When that government died, their agreements died with them.
***Bullshiite.
That agreement was abrogated in the coup.
***There was no coup, you’re just pushing a conspiracy theory. In order to accept your side’s position we have to accept your qanon level conspiracy theorizing. It’s just nonsense. JimRob should put you Qanonsters baq in your qage.
Kevmo: “Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land”
RINO: Ok, so you are a fan of going to the eastern front of WWII,
***World War 2? Where do you take up these invalid analogies? How would Americans even get there, flying over German armies? You’re nuts.
and taking on the role of the German army.
***You should take a critical thinking class.
I’m not.
***You go through all this rigamarole to set up a straw argument just to say you’re against it. Gigantic classic fallacy.
It matters not a whit to me what happens on that border.
***Then go and post somewhere on some issue that does matter to you. This set of issues is incredibly important for the world to get right, the honoring of nuclear nonproliferation agreements.
Especially 31 Trillion in debt
***As usual from your side: More red herrings. Look! a Squirrel!
and with a fraudulently installed president flooding our border,
***Look! Another squirrel!
destroying our military and wrecking our economy.
***Some weird unmilitary economy wrecking squirrel!
By the way, you seem to really believe in this cause. Have you explored going there and volunteering?
***Yes, I will go if someone sends me and pays my way via GoFundMe. I can’t afford it myself. And this way I’m spending your money. You can track my expenses. I’ll be joining the suitcase nuke project. Have you offered to go and patrol the US southern border?
I cannot think of a single reason for an American kid to die for eastern Ukraine,
***I can, but you aint listening and no one reads past your remarks to this point because you’re simply a troll.
in an alliance with an Azov guy with “SS” on his helmet.
***More red herring backwards a-priori thinking. I think I’ll just treat you like the troll you are.
The Ukraine and Russia are two of the most corrupt nations on earth.
***There is a 40,000 foot view: One of those corrupt nations invaded the other to get at their oil & gas reserves. That invader is using the same kind of language that Hitler used in Sudetenland, and the appeasers never learnt that historical lesson. Also, there is an existing border and sovereignty agreement in place, which goes directly towards getting nuclear nonproliferation right.
If anything, the Ukraine is a European problem.
***The USA signed the Budapest Agreement assuring Ukraine’s borders. It was the right thing to do, denuking the Ukes.
Europe has shown that it’s not serious about defending Ukraine
***Just like in Sudetenland, Europe needed to defend ITSELF against that smalltime regional bully. They didn’t, and it led to 50-60 million deaths.
as it continues to do business with Russian and import their commodities.
***The last time a regional bully tyrant invaded his neighbor over oil & gas rights, an international coalition kicked his ass back to Iraq. We’re seeing that happen again, with Ukraine, only more piecemeal this time.
The only interest we have in Ukraine is the quid pro quo corruption our government officials and their Oligarchs have in common.
***You’re working backwards in a priori classic fallacy reasoning just like all your cohorts. This issue was codified in 1994 long before pantywaist appeasers took over the policy process and started looking for excuses not to uphold the agreement.
IMHO, we are fools if we allow ourselves to be dragged into a war with Russia.
***IMHO we should have let the Ukes keep their nukes. They never woulda been invaded twice by Russia. They never woulda been betrayed by appeasers like you.
Sadly, I believe Biden, democrats and corrupt RINOs will intentionally get us into a shooting war with Russia,
***It’s really weird because you appeasers also think it was a good idea to denuke the Ukes. You’re schizophrenic in your thinking on this subject.
that could include nukes, to deflect from his miserable record and dismal approval rating.
***Upholding the sovereignty of a nation that HONORED its commitment to nuclear nonproliferation is the right thing to do, regardless of how corrupt their guvmint is, how corrupt the invaders’ guvmint is, or how corrupt our guvmint is.
“Putin is nuke rattling same as Kim Jung Un.”
Yes, but too many people just hear the word “nuke” and freak out and don’t think rationally about the subject after that.
“When that government died, their agreements died with them. That agreement was abrogated in the coup.”
Nice, so we don’t need to honor any agreements we made with Russia before Putin installed himself as dictator-for-life in his own coup.
Vlad is bluffing. He only has a pair of threes and an ace in the hole
“I cannot think of a single reason for an American kid to die for eastern Ukraine, in an alliance with an Azov guy with “SS” on his helmet.”
Reading up on Azov, I stumbled on a documentary about the “Nazis” in Poland. Compared to Ukraine’s “Nazis”, they’re very similar in using symbols of the REAL “Nazis, and hating Russians. (Symbols they claim predated WWII’s Nazis).
They’re on video destroying Gypsy encampments, discouraging the few female participants, displaying similar tattoos, and taking serious target practice.
There are even more “right-wing” groups on the video, including one secretive leader who said he wanted “Ukraine’s soil fertilized with the bodies of the Russian invaders”. (He’d taken one name—”Santa”).
Both groups—Poland’s and Ukraine’s—can be categorized by a stronger sense of PATRIOTISM than you can find in today’s western countries.
Patriotism is bad if it’s for the wrong thing. There is nothing admirable in being patriotic when you are a 1942 German.
Same for Azov and their Polish Galician friends.
So, do you think Azov is good or bad? Nazi or not? I can’t really tell from your post.
That last thought was your best. Although certain Pooty Poot tool-posters have the redeeming quality of surely driving many more people to the Uke’s side, than Putin’s. ;-)
I’d add, on 2/23/2022, Ukraine was no more “Nazi” than is, oh, Nebraska. Anti-Russian attitudes are probably up 100x, now, but, that still doesn’t make most Ukes Nazis.
A fun vid on the question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AukmriOOrU&t=624s
RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE - [DAY 57] (21 April 2022)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5xPe4RPAWg
“Barry Manilow” report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elSsReHP0Z0
Looks like mostly Russian advances today.
“So, do you think Azov is good or bad? Nazi or not? I can’t really tell from your post.”
At one time, Finland carried the swastika on their war materiél, but I don’t consider today’s Finns to be Nazis.
The NYTs probably carries articles about America’s “Right-Wing military men”—insinuating the most patriotic men are “Nazis”.
Trump appears patriotic to me. Hasn’t Trump been called a Nazi repeatedly?
The word is thrown around. In my little neighborhood, people were ready to move out when they saw a tattooed swastika at our local Flea Market. Later, the explanation was he was a nearby member of a motorcycle gang—all middle-aged.
:-/
Poles and Ukrainians deserve to appear patriotic, as they border the paranoid Russian bear.
“Patriotism is bad if it’s for the wrong thing. There is nothing admirable in being patriotic when you are a 1942 German.
Same for Azov and their Polish Galician friends.”
German Jews considered themselves to be patriotic Germans prior to WWII:
“They considered themselves to be patriotic “German citizens of Jewish Faith”. Typically, they lived an assimilated lifestyle and most held liberal Jewish beliefs.”
https://journey.holocaust.org.uk/topic/jewish-life-in-1930s-germany/#:~:text=They%20considered%20themselves%20to%20be%20patriotic%20%E2%80%9CGerman%20citizens,middle%20class%20childhood%20like%20in%20Germany%20around%201933%3F
Those Germans in professional Wehrmacht ranks were patriotic until the Russians entered Germany then strove to reach Allied lines. Patriotism had kept the ranks in order.
Patriotism (and the Holy Bible) kept American troops focused on the WWII taskforce at hand.
Vengeful Nazis in the SS were still concerned with killing Jews to the very end.
Americans can carry Nazi tattoos in connection with their USA Government job.
https://www.tacticalshit.com/atf-agent-receives-450k-in-discimination-lawsuit-regarding-supervisor-with-nazi-tattoo/
When I was in the US Navy, I collected data for NSA. All of my Navy colleagues consider Edward Snowden traitorous.
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