Posted on 04/17/2022 1:04:39 PM PDT by conservative98
If Coons or anyone else that supports overt military action in Ukraine can’t answer in the affirmative and with detailed answers the seven questions in the Powell Doctrine (modified Weinburger Doctrine), we should not commit to such action:
1. Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2. Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4. Have all other nonviolent policy means been fully exhausted?
5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7. Is the action supported by the American people?
NOOOO.
Where are our elected representatives in this?
Biden and the Dems have essentially declared war on Russia because they think it will help them politically. They’re conducting their war through “appropriations” or funds that are within executive control.
Don’t we have anybody who will stand up and say that this is nuts?
I realize that Biden is willing to fight until the last Ukrainian, and so is his paranoid and power-crazed idiot protege, Zelensky.
It is just a matter of time before they do. The media has the mob whipped into a frenzy.
Send that daughter that Biden molested to fight in Ukraine, Coons. Never your families. It is always the average citizens that do the dying for your stupid idiotic wars in foreign countries that benefit nobody but rich elites.
The Ukrainians are fully capable of defending their own country if we can keep them supplied. Which, interestingly enough, is something that was equally true of the Soviet Union in World War 2. We didn't have to send troops there. We simply needed the Lend-Lease program to provide them with essential war-fighting material.
I wouldn’t get us involved more than we are here.
Next steps are coming though, and it find it interesting that
Russia keeps warning about our unintended consequences, but
hasn’t learned a single clue yet about its own.
Quit bringing up that stupid Budapest Agreement. It isn’t a treaty and it wasn’t ratified by Congress. It was a promise by none other than Bill Clinton and that alone should tell you how much it was worth.
It is not our job to worry about Ukraine. If people want to volunteer to go there and fight, fine.
That is as far as it should go and we need to quit making things worse by giving them money we don’t have and weapons we are getting lower on.
I suggest Coon’s daughter pick up a rifle and go fight.
You should say, the discredited Powell Doctrine.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4050271/posts?page=91#91
Kevmo to Fury
Do you have a source for that claim?
***I posted one of my sources, someone I knew at the time in the military under his command. And at the time there were other sources in correlation but I don’t feel like playing fetch because I KNEW that one source so, I really don’t care where it goes after that.
And the buck stops with the President, ultimately.
***True. Didn’t you ever wonder why Powell was the front man for all that bullsnot about WMDs?
Kevmo: It is an idiotic test to follow. Would you follow Jimmah Cartah’s test for the US economy? How about obambam’s test for racial equality? You don’t follow FAILUREs and their doctrine.
Fury: We will disagree on if Powell is a failure.
***Then comment on the analogy, the real hypothetical. Do you follow FAILUREs for their doctrine? No.
And that really skirts the question and is a matter of discernment
***Yes I perceive you are skirting the issue.
- what specifically do you object to regarding the Powell Doctrine?
***Its origin. As I have stated. The man is a failure, and his assertions were what caused us to end GW1 prematurely. He deserves scorn, not a following. Look at where he ended up, acting and voting as a democrap. This surprises you?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4051737/posts?page=119#119
No blood for Brandon.
Asked & Answered:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts?page=142#142
“Not a treaty?”
Registration Number 52241
Title Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the TREATY on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb
Let him and his family and friends go.
I’m amazed that some of the same Democrats (Biden is one) that brought up the Powell Doctrine during the early 2000s seem to have forgotten about the Powell Doctrine now. That’s a tell that they can’t answer affirmatively the questions that should be a prerequisite to overt US military action.
Quit bringing up that stupid Budapest Agreement.
***Well, I kinda agree that it is a bit of a stupid agreement, but it applies to this situation more than anything else so my answer to your “request” is not only NO but Hell NO.
It isn’t a treaty and it wasn’t ratified by Congress.
***Asked & answered in previous post.
It was a promise by none other than Bill Clinton and that alone should tell you how much it was worth.
***BC was our president. He signed an accession to a verified and ratified treaty in the United Nations. If DForest were to sign sumthin like that, it would be meaningless because dforest doesn’t represent the USA. But Bill Clinton DID represent the USA. Kinda like when Adam took that bite out of the apple, creation fell — not when Eve did it, because Eve did not represent Mankind but Adam DID.
It is not our job to worry about Ukraine.
***I see this is your starting premise and you’re working backwards in an a priori classic fallacy approach towards this issue.
If people want to volunteer to go there and fight, fine.
***I’m fine with sending US troops to the western part of Ukraine to free up Ukes to fight in the east. And we could just set up volunteers to go and fight in the eastern portion if they wanna. Plus, if we send any American boots they should be fighting for American Land — my emBASEee Strategee. See my home page.
That is as far as it should go
***NO. It should go as far as the Uke border because that is where we signed our intentions in 1994 and accepted the Uke compliance to that Agreement.
and we need to quit making things worse by giving them money
***You would be among those who never learned the lesson of Sudetenland. And those 50-60 Million deaths attributable to Hitler for starting WW2 would be your responsibility.
we don’t have and weapons we are getting lower on.
***Sending weapons is the cheapest thing we could do to avert WW3 and the hundreds of millions of deaths that would entail due to our Sudetenland Appeasement Policies [SAP].
I suggest Coon’s daughter pick up a rifle and go fight.
***I suggest you pick up a history book and read what happened when the SAP didn’t work.
If we get in a big war, the U.S. incorporated can dump the debt and start over. Nobody will care, and we still have enough weapons so any foreign countries will not worry over the debt.
WE should have never went back on our agreement with Russia. Ukraine went free of the Russian sphere, they get rid of Nukes and we promise to defend them. That was a clear violation of the agreement, and it was stretching NATO into a country that didn’t belong to it.
It was GHW Bush fault, Clintons fault, O’Sama’s fault, Hillarys fault, Senates and Congress too.
nope, not our war.
LOL. The internal briefings of the Ukrainian military indicate 23,000 KIA. The lost 600 aircraft and 2200 tanks being the country in possession of the half of the advanced AD in Europe.
Is the US prepared to lose tens of thousands of troops?
Not No but hell No!
We rescued these Euro Weenies at least twice before. The hell with the liberal, social, marxist bastards.
WE should have never went back on our agreement with Russia.
***What agreement is that? Some verbal mumblings by bureaucrats in the State Dept.?
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