Posted on 04/16/2022 7:25:04 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
Russia has demanded Ukrainian forces still fighting to defend the besieged city of Mariupol lay down their weapons. The apparent ultimatum comes as Russia continues its relentless and devastating attack on the southeastern city.
Russian state media Ria reported that "without exception" all "Ukrainian armed units and foreign mercenaries" must exit from 6:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Moscow time (same as local time) "without any weapons and ammunition," citing the Russian Defense Ministry.
An estimated 100,000 people remain in Mariupol and its immediate surroundings, which are reported to be largely under Russian control, with Ukrainian troops confined to pockets of resistance.
Some context: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zekensky late Saturday called the situation in the besieged city of Mariupol "inhuman," saying the situation remained "as severe as possible."
"Russia is deliberately trying to destroy everyone who is there in Mariupol," he said in his latest video address.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
The US excels at air support.
I suspect it would lose a lot in translation.
And who is “yours,” Buckeroo?
Did you just out yourself as a Biden-Obama troll or NWO sheep? Or both? 🤔
Scott Ritter called this scenario weeks ago. Amazing..
Read a lot about it. Never posted on DU either but know their history well too.
Ukraine, a faux democracy was invaded by a dictatorship.
***Then you acknowledge they were invaded. It was the second violation of the Budapest Agreement, an accession to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. The Ukes HONORED it, the Rukes VIOLATED it twice, and appeasers in the US are looking for ways to ABROGATE it. If we can’t get nuke nonproliferation right, we might as well loudly proclaim to the world that the US simply cannot be trusted.
So the USA, a failed morally fiscally bankrupt democracy
***Republic... well, a former republic — we are officially an oligarchy now, since SCOTUS refused to rule on Berg vs. Obama.
is now supposed to jump all in?
***We SIGNED that agreement that assured borders and sovereignty. If we don’t go all in, we should give them back their nukes. After all, they are in an existential war, and when we were in one we built our own nukes. Who are we to scold them for using nukes in their own existential war when we did so ourselves, and also we were the ones to betray them?
I am having a hard time getting jazzed up myself. Let the Euro trash deal with this...
***The way I see it is we should follow the emBASEee strategee.
The Budapest Agreement was an “accession” to a signed international United Nations, ratified nuclear nonproliferation treaty. The Ukes honored it and gave up those nukes. The Rukes violated it twice by invading twice, by happenstance it was when there were weak-kneed democrap presidents in office whom Vlad knew would not do anything about an invasion. And the USA has been looking for all kinds of ways to abrogate our responsibility in this treaty/agreement even though it points to disaster down the road for nuclear nonproliferation.
So when I say give back the Ukes their nukes, it is an acknowledgement that nukes are sovereignty. They gave up some nukes in exchange for “assurances” for borders and sovereignty. Since they are in an existential war, who are we to scold them for building nukes since that is what we did when we were in our existential war, and we are the ones who have betrayed them.
If the Ukes develop and deploy a suitcase nuke on a Russian city, it is because they got pushed into an existential corner. What we really should be doing is putting CONVENTIONAL forces into this fight in a way that genuinely “assures” borders and sovereignty for a country that did the right thing. After all, the Russian bear has been shown to be rather toothless compared to what most of us thought they would be in this fight, so the US would kick some serious @$$.
And if we send in American boots on the ground, we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
From what I understand, the nukes did not belong to Ukraine. It was under the control of the Soviet Military when they were stationed in Ukraine after the collapse of USSR. Ukraine agreed not too confisicate them and they will not attempt to build any.
Zelensky! Reminds me of another actor turned statesman....
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Anyone in Wagner doing likewise is also a low life. Nazi admiration is always the sign of the weak and moral degenerate trying to associate themselves with something they see as strong through callous behavior.
Bikers in kraut helmets, Azov, Wagner, Skinheads, etc.
All losers.
The nukes were under the control of Ukraine, who relinquished them under that Budapest Agreement. They were basically abandoned by the soviets.
Interesting. Problem was that if Ukraine kept their nuclear weapons, that would had provoked Russia. But at the same time, Russia would ultimately leave them alone.
Not sure who you’re referring to, but the only one I can think of in *my* country who would fit that description is Ronald Reagan. And he was so much more dignified and in a different league entirely from Zelensky.
I don’t worship politicians or other people, but if I did, Reagan would come very close to that.
Zelensky and Putin are crooks. So is Biden. I don’t hate any people either, but those three definitely have my disdain.
Russia was not provoked at the time. They basically abandoned those nukes. Apparently they had bigger things to worry about at the time.
https://twitter.com/JoostBroekers/status/1512155849053069316?s=07
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs&feature=youtu.be
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1350428277610065925?s=07
https://twitter.com/EVERONA97/status/1508168013937319950?s=07
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-
ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato/
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1501217774768635919?s=07
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
Those who participated in the Odessa massacre of 2014.
Putin is hunting for them. They will be tried in Russia.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/09/videos-and-photos-of-the-odessan-massacre/
I’m sorry, but I don’t consider ‘Twitter’ and - often - ‘YouTube’ - to be sources of expert information, historical or otherwise.
So, I didn’t click on any of your links. Waste your effort on someone else.
Big booms happening now.
Yes.
Also, I love this.
*applause*
And we bombed the Serbs on Easter as well.
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