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No.
***Yes.

Plenty of countries have sovereignty without nukes.
***Then we separate out those countries that have given up their nukes, signed a treaty towards their sovereignty. That makes one country. Ukraine. If we don’t get nuclear nonproliferation right, all those other countries are gonna try to develop nukes, because they cannot trust us nor the Russians nor the UN.

Heck most of the planet doesn’t have nukes.
***Then apply your set of rules to those who do not. YOu don’t WANT them to get nukes, then get nuclear nonproliferation right. And that means honoring the Budapest Accession to the UN Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty that we signed, Russia signed, Ukraine signed. The Ukes honored it, Russia violated it by invading twice as soon as they found out there was oil & gas reserves there, and the USA is listening to pantywaist appeasers who are looking to abrogate our responsibility towards Uke sovereignty & borders, betraying them.

And given how crazy some of those governments are it’s a good thing. Do you really want random African juntas having nukes.
***If you don’t want them having nukes then you need to make sure we get this nuke nonproliferation agreement right. And that means restoring Uke boundaries, sovereignty and condition to its 1994 borders.

I’m not scolding the Ukrainians.
***You’re just looking for ways to betray them, that’s all.

I’m pointing out the American troops and Russian troops must NOT shoot at each other.
***Then we should have never signed that nuke nonproliferation agreement. You’re back-applying a principle that was overwritten by way of signing that agreement towards sovereignty & borders.

As for nuclear non-proliferation that was the deal all the nuke countries made. Right or wrong it was the deal.
***Then we should honor that deal. The Ukes did.

We do need to keep this conventional.
***Then that means not pushing the Ukes into a nuke corner and helping them restore sovereignty, borders, and even get reparations for the violation of that nuke agreement.

Which is why we can’t get involved.
***Which is why we MUST get involved, we ALREADY were involved as soon as we signed that treaty.

Cause when Russia loses a conventional war to America it’s probably not going to stay conventional.
***You know this, how? Russia signed that agreement. Russians have access to international press and will know that Vlad is violating that agreement. There will be no support for going to WW3 nuclear war status over an agreement that Russia’s leader is obviously violating.

I noticed you didn’t answer my questions.
***I must have missed them. I usually answer every single point, just like I did here.

It’s very simple:
***As simple as a signed nuclear nonproliferation agreement?

Do you think Putin and Biden BOTH have the level of self control necessary to keep a conventional war between our countries conventional?
***Yes. Neither one wants a glass country. A glass world. Especially over Ukes.

If your answer is anything other than TOTAL confidence that
***False dilemma. Classic fallacy.

they can BOTH keep it in their pants
***Time for you to answer MY question, then: Do you think OTHER countries, having watched us betray the only country that ever really honored a nuclear nonproliferation treaty, will those countries “keep it in their pants”? I have far far less confidence in other countries than the 2 which have been living with the concept of MAD for 4 decades.

then you know exactly why we must not become an active part of this war.
***Your conclusion is based on a demonstrated logical fallacy.