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To: Cronos
Perhaps you also doubt the Russian ministry that announced the moskva had sunk?

It's rather curious how such emotional topics glean leftist traits from alleged Conservatives who troll this forum.

Straw man much? /s

39 posted on 04/14/2022 9:13:48 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Leftist traits?

Perhaps you don’t read? The Russian ministry admitted the ship sank.


46 posted on 04/14/2022 9:32:48 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: logi_cal869

It is absolutely certain the flagship of the Black Sea fleet, cruiser Moskva sent distress signals, Russian ships swarmed over the area and the crew abandoned ship. Russian navy said so, they wouldn’t have lied their capital ship was sunk if it was perfectly fine. Russian story is there was a fire onboard, which spread to magazines and the ship blew up.

While their story is not impossible, a fire like that on a surface vessel requires suicidal levels of ineptitude. Say what you will of the Russian navy, if this happened on a flagship of the fleet, you’d expect their other ships would be blowing up on a monthly basis.

So Ukrainian version of events, where they struck the cruiser with two missiles, is the more plauisble of the two. Exact details may not be correct. For example, it is possible the ship intercepted one or even both missiles with CIWS, but the sharpnel and mass of the missile still hit the ship and detonated some of the ordnance on deck. This is currently unverifiable and may remain such for some time, until the wreck is located or we get images of the stricken ship still afloat perhaps.

But overall, it does seem like a Ukrainian attack sunk the flagship of the Black Sea fleet


50 posted on 04/14/2022 9:40:24 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: logi_cal869

We are watching a war in near real time. That is interesting for many reasons. There is the fog of war problem, but it turns out that modern tech can burn through quite a lot of it. Your attitude is interesting though, concerning information acknowledged by both sides, which would have been indisputable even hundreds of years ago. Is there a third side able to speak with authority?


68 posted on 04/15/2022 12:13:13 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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